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NiceCupOfTea

22,991 posts

137 months

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BigBen said:
There have been a number of very odd responses to this thread. I am just waiting for someone to come along with 'my Bugatti Veyron is not that fast' just so they can fit in with all the other posts from people with fast cars saying they are slow!
This!

Major Fallout

4,503 posts

117 months

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BigBen said:
There have been a number of very odd responses to this thread. I am just waiting for someone to come along with 'my Bugatti Veyron is not that fast' just so they can fit in with all the other posts from people with fast cars saying they are slow!
But thats PH, because there will be someone.

Mostly because compared to redvictor it would be slow.

The only way to win on PH, is to be happy with what you have. And if you cant, then find some tiny bit of it that does make you happy.

Its the PH way! driving





Storer

2,984 posts

101 months

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Discovery is not too quick unless you are going across a ploughed field (which I do quite often) but even with a trailer on the back the lad in the Peugeot couldn't get past under acceleration!!!!!

SL500 is pretty quick and very comfortable even with the top down.

Cerbera 4.5 can be quite manic in a rather raw way.

But the Ultima GTR is butt clenchingly fast especially for passengers.

Wadeski

6,119 posts

99 months

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The boxtster s was quick, not fast.

The MR2 I had before with el turbo muy grande was fast. Basically, if acceleration alone elicits spontaneous swearing from passengers, it's fast.

texasjohn

3,366 posts

117 months

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Watchman said:
Legacy 3-litre auto. Only 240-something bhp but I am always at the back of a queue and never the front of one. I am rarely overtaken (motorways).
But nobody expects the Spanish inquisition wink
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pw32

1,029 posts

84 months

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I haven't read all the pages so apologies if this has been covered but what can feel quick can some become the norm. So passengers tend to think wow that is very quick but you as the driver are used to it.

M3 E90 - adequate to fast. Sometimes I think wow thats quick but other times a bit more would be cool. I do remember when I got it thinking it was proper quick though.


dave stew

1,502 posts

53 months

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Fast for a Volvo estate, but too heavy and with woeful traction to be anything other than a useful mid range weapon.

Volvo V70 T5

Hitch78

4,228 posts

80 months

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My MX5 is certainly not fast. But the average speed is probably faster than most other cars on the road!

Having run a 987 Boxster S and a Mustang GT in recent years I find I get more enjoyment from pushing the limits of the MX5 than I did accelerating quickly in either of those. Keeping a car on the boil is much more engaging for me.

Pixelpeep

3,037 posts

28 months

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Hitch78 said:
Keeping a car on the boil is much more engaging for me.
Don't you find that tiresome after a while though? I get what you are saying in a weekend blast kinda situation but day to day i want effortless overtaking and no need to drop 3 gears for a useful bit of torque.

its 3/4 the reason i sold the Type-R.

Mann i think im lazy.. smile

ninjacost

491 posts

108 months

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to make it fair you weould have to take your engine out ! lol


redvictor said:
ninjacost said:
maybe we should have a ph run what you brung at santa pod could be fun !
Yes, and with a 10k prize fund for the winner... whistle

jbi

8,050 posts

90 months

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nope... none of them are fast.

Countdown

10,344 posts

82 months

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Hitch78 said:
My MX5 is certainly not fast. But the average speed is probably faster than most other cars on the road!

Having run a 987 Boxster S and a Mustang GT in recent years I find I get more enjoyment from pushing the limits of the MX5 than I did accelerating quickly in either of those. Keeping a car on the boil is much more engaging for me.
Along similar lines I find straight line speed pretty boring. In a decent luxobarge the experience is substantially anaesthetised.

I much prefer a light reasonably powerful car on the twisties.

AC43

2,934 posts

94 months

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BigBen said:
There have been a number of very odd responses to this thread. I am just waiting for someone to come along with 'my Bugatti Veyron is not that fast' just so they can fit in with all the other posts from people with fast cars saying they are slow!
I guess it's because it's all relative.

My car with 170bhp/ton is faster than the vast majority of cars driven by my friends. But then again that's because they don't care much about cars and drive various 2.0 tdi's, MPV's and mum trucks.

On PH, however, there is a very different demographic where 200bhp/ton doesn't really cut it and you need to get past 300bhp/ton to be considered quick (I mean the figure not the person BTW). And even then the arms race quickly kicks in and you get cars with a vastly better power to weight ratio.

So, in summary, 170 bhp/ton probably puts me in the top 10% or ever 5% of road users but in that last 5% there is a massive way to go and many of those folks post here.

Pixelpeep

3,037 posts

28 months

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BHP/Ton

1000 divided by your cars weight then multiply by BHP is that right?

so mine would be 1000/1230 x 265 = 216.3 bhp/ton ?

AC43

2,934 posts

94 months

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Pixelpeep said:
BHP/Ton

1000 divided by your cars weight then multiply by BHP is that right?

so mine would be 1000/1230 x 265 = 216.3 bhp/ton ?
Yes. So very fast by everyday standards. Champions League.

But in PH that terms you're in the Championship table.

And I'm League 1.

HTH

Pixelpeep

3,037 posts

28 months

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lol i can see this becoming a sword measuring contest.

Shall we start an official PH league table with our 'position' under our usernames ?

ivanhoew

454 posts

127 months

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old austin mini ,250 bhp ,615kg . feels fast due to problem of keeping it on the rd .
bike 135bhp 170 kg ,feels faster ,but much more manageable so less exiting/scary. .

how the vehicle handles the power ,and its stability ,has a lot to do with how fast something feels.

Pixelpeep

3,037 posts

28 months

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just found this > http://www.autosnout.com/Cars-Bhp-Per-Ton-List.php

not sure how accurate it is but makes for some pretty interesting reading

SturdyHSV

4,155 posts

53 months

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I think so, it's around 250bhp/tonne despite being a bit of a porker, plus it's noisy and squats down a lot when you floor it, so it does feel pretty violent. There's also the joy of the 'warp drive' sensation that 3rd gives, as you can come off a roundabout going fairly slowly, floor it in third, and it just accelerates faster and faster as the noise builds. Guaranteed to unsettle an unsuspecting passenger evil

I wouldn't trust passenger accounts either, I've let my GF drive it once, and told her to basically progressively go to full throttle in 2nd from low revs, and it was a damn site scarier than when I'm driving. Felt like it just wasn't going to stop gathering speed.

The GTV V6 is fairly quick, although compared to the last few years of 250bhp+ hot hatches, it's pretty standard.

The Clio categorically does not accelerate. At all. It gets a bit noisier, but as far as I can discern, nothing else really happens.


AC43

2,934 posts

94 months

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Pixelpeep said:
lol i can see this becoming a sword measuring contest.

Shall we start an official PH league table with our 'position' under our usernames ?
Well I think we'd need two versions - one which counts performance at any price (the Man City version) and the financial fair play version.

On the latter you divide the BHP/Tonne figure by the trade-in value of your car and multiply by 100.

Assuming the trade in value of mine is £7k I get a FFP number of 2.5. Enough to get into the Championship play offs, maybe.

(cue someone with a £1k supercharged Westfield to blow that theory out of the water)



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