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Somewhatfoolish

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3,670 posts

73 months

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Saturday 6th October 2012 quote quote all
sodslaw said:
WeirdNeville said:
I'm terribly confused Ted.....

You got illegal substances delivered to your front door, and you wanted to know if it would be acceptable to take some other, slightly less illegal substances into court with you in case you went to prison? What part of the last 12 months of your life have seemed like a well thought out plan?

"Most apt username of 2012 goes to....."
If the police found you in possession of testogel without a prescription they would not take it from you.

This guy HAD a prescription.


Not even an eyelid would bat.
that ^^^^

although admittedly I didn't have the prescription "on me", I hadn't opened the package so it still had all the pharmacist info on it, my name, etc. Just figured it would be useful if I did end up inside as presumably prison pharmacies don't stock a whole bunch of things and equally healthcare in general there probably wouldn't be terribly responsive. Rather academic now mind!

Oh, and I did take it to court with me. They didn't say anything about it at all. On the other hand, the bottles of Pepsi and Irn Bru were a no no to even take into the waiting area, never mind the court, in case I threw them at people apparently! rofl

Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Saturday 6th October 02:27

Papa Hotel

12,753 posts

69 months

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Irn Bru? Are you Scottish? I predict we'll meet in a professional setting quite soon.

I would ask you to bump this thread when you're lifted next time but you won't get the opportunity; the police will hold you until they send you to court and the judge will send you to prison without so much as a second thought. Good luck. Sincerely, I mean it, good luck, a libertarian like you will respect the right of the big boys to assert themselves on a naive jail newbie, particularly one who'll be stuck on meth, maybe suboxone, maybe valium.

When I said earlier that you were a step away from the toothless junkies, I didn't mean that you are standing a step away from them, I meant that you were only one step away from being one.

Grenoble

14,353 posts

42 months

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Somewhatfoolish said:
Separating the moral question, in terms of the law, to be honest I feel very very lucky indeed. I was very well treated by everyone involved (apart from one customs officer who told a duty advocate at the police station if I confessed then I would be put on a drug treatment scheme then reneged that promise). I would probably sound as if I had stockholm syndrome if I went on about it too long but seriously almost all the "enemy" (in the sense of people who were going to deprive me of my liberty etc) were great; the other customs officer was a good laugh, the police (who held me for a day during the search and didn't have anything to do with this really) were extremely friendly, the cell in the police station was pretty big with a toilet, the reading material was fine so you didn't get bored, everyone at the courthouse was very pleasant, even the deputy high bailiff sentencing me was pretty nice and she explained the circumstances very well indeed.

If I were to make any complaint at all it would be about the juristriction issue and the probation service. Basically, in the first hearing, she accepted juristriction over the matter and sent me off to get a pre sentence report. The pre sentence report itself was a great interview with (again!) a really nice guy who told me straight out it would be insane to send me to prison and he'd push for as low a sentence as possible. He eventually sent in a report recommending 100 hours of community service. Unfortunately, he obviously wasn't one of those people who were good at forms, and he completely fooked it up for all kinds of reasons, to the extent it was basically ignorable. I don't know if it was because of that, but in any case at the second hearing she was once again unsure if she had juristriction (this is the manx equivilant of an either way offence btw; she can sentence up to 1 year, anything else has to be sent on to general gaol which is the equivilant of crown court) and therefore invited submissions from both my lawyer and prosecution (the latter did not ask for that btw, it was entirely from her). This is what really cost me the money... while the prosecution submitted about 3 or 4 pages, my lawyer submitted 111, although admittedly most of that appendicies.

There's no way I would have been eligible for legal aid but I do feel that that kind of cost ordered for the court for an abtruse unpredictable reason should at least be somewhat publically funded.

But I don't want that to detract from the decent way I have been treated by every individual involved. Indeed just 24 hours ago I was sitting with a bunch of police in the pub giving me cake and wishing me good luck. I still do not believe that I have done anything wrong. It is about as fundamental a human right as you can get to take whatever substances you like, and in that very narrow sense I am incandescent about this. But at a more pragmatic, realistic, level - absolutely, I was treated more than fairly. In fact apparently a transcript of the case is going to be put into the "journal" or whatever you call it of Manx lawyers.

So anyhow, if you have a problem in the Isle of Man, you should definitely get John Wright as your advocate!
Thanks for sharing, it's appreciated. I mostly agree with you.

Slagathore

3,986 posts

79 months

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What's wrong with buying Cannabis the good old fashioned way?

I spent some time on the Isle of Man a few years back, it seemed everyone I met liked a good drink, every night!! But it didn't seem like the sort of place that was impossible to get drugs, especially stuff like Cannabis

Slink

2,947 posts

59 months

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Somewhatfoolish said:
The point is not that recreational drug users like incest and bestiality, it's that libertarians, such as me, will support the right of someone to engage in incest and (necro)bestiality (the chicken was dead if that wasn't clear) because no harm is done. That's not the same as approving of it. There's no moral judgement one way or the other.
umm WTF. you fked a dead chicken??

that is quite, quite screwed up
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otolith

26,432 posts

91 months

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More a whoosh parrot than a chicken.

Silent1

19,010 posts

122 months

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Papa Hotel said:
Irn Bru? Are you Scottish? I predict we'll meet in a professional setting quite soon.

I would ask you to bump this thread when you're lifted next time but you won't get the opportunity; the police will hold you until they send you to court and the judge will send you to prison without so much as a second thought. Good luck. Sincerely, I mean it, good luck, a libertarian like you will respect the right of the big boys to assert themselves on a naive jail newbie, particularly one who'll be stuck on meth, maybe suboxone, maybe valium.

When I said earlier that you were a step away from the toothless junkies, I didn't mean that you are standing a step away from them, I meant that you were only one step away from being one.
fk me, you really are narrow minded aren't you!
All you keep doing is shout junkie at him without actually explaining why you think he'll become one and to top it off you're acting as if drug addiction is worse than paedophilia

defblade

3,346 posts

100 months

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Somewhatfoolish = QuestioningPerson?

Papa Hotel

12,753 posts

69 months

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Silent1 said:
fk me, you really are narrow minded aren't you!
All you keep doing is shout junkie at him without actually explaining why you think he'll become one and to top it off you're acting as if drug addiction is worse than paedophilia
You mustn't have read the bit where he said he purchased opium. He's a heroin addict already. A junkie, if you will.

Don't underestimate the cost of opiate addiction to this country, a huge proportion of the prison population is dependent on heroin substitutes and that's just looking at it from a purely monetary point of view.

From a more Daily Mail angle, the human cost is catastrophic:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2085711/...

RDMcG

8,860 posts

94 months

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Of course we all make our own decisions and I am a non participant apart from a fondness for wine and the very occasional cigar (hardly health food).

However anonymity on the web is a bit of an illusion, and If I were in the same position as the OP with a recent conviction, about the last thing I would do would be to post my beliefs on the web. If,unfortunately, there is another case for a subsequent offence,these comments can come back to haunt you.

Its like people who post vids of themselves breaking the speed limit and being surprised it there is a summons later.

XCP

12,253 posts

115 months

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Quite a good chance it is funding terrorism as well.

eldar

8,527 posts

83 months

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Papa Hotel said:
You mustn't have read the bit where he said he purchased opium. He's a heroin addict already. A junkie, if you will.

Don't underestimate the cost of opiate addiction to this country, a huge proportion of the prison population is dependent on heroin substitutes and that's just looking at it from a purely monetary point of view.

From a more Daily Mail angle, the human cost is catastrophic:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2085711/...
The Daily Mash differs a little.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/britain...

Big_Dog

636 posts

72 months

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I am quite shocked at the conclusions jumped to by some on this thread. Thanks for sharing your adventures with us.
For me the moral of this story is: Trust no bd and buy decent legal advice.
Wishing you all the best with your obvious struggle to survive in the depths of your addictions. smile

sodslaw

189 posts

26 months

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RDMcG said:
However anonymity on the web is a bit of an illusion, and If I were in the same position as the OP with a recent conviction, about the last thing I would do would be to post my beliefs on the web. If,unfortunately, there is another case for a subsequent offence,these comments can come back to haunt you.
No its not. You'd be surprised how well you can hide your activities online. You can go to extreme lengths which will literally make it impossible to trace. And you can make it impossible for the police to use your computer as evidence too. All depends how much you know about about computers and how careful you want to be.

This isn't even relevant though as this guy did not get caught online. His name and address were stuck to some drugs that went though customs. He could have still got away with it but he decided to own up.

TVR1

4,098 posts

112 months

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You are a bit simple aren't you? Perhaps a snippet of yours from another forum....


somewhatfoolish wrote:
But I also think that more of us would be happy to pervert the the court (sic)of justice.........

Im a little squiffy just now (as much as hypocrisy will allow, given the topic) but perhaps it is somewhat foolish to use the same username on many, many forii. Not a bad idea to password protect various photograph hosting websites too. smile

Silent1

19,010 posts

122 months

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TVR1 said:
You are a bit simple aren't you? Perhaps a snippet of yours from another forum....


somewhatfoolish wrote:
But I also think that more of us would be happy to pervert the the court (sic)of justice.........

Im a little squiffy just now (as much as hypocrisy will allow, given the topic) but perhaps it is somewhat foolish to use the same username on many, many forii. Not a bad idea to password protect various photograph hosting websites too. smile
You do realise 99% of those are just ph forums with different skins?

Grenoble

14,353 posts

42 months

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Silent1 said:
You do realise 99% of those are just ph forums with different skins?
I think he was referring to this:

http://www.advanced-driving.co.uk/forum/viewtopic....

TVR1

4,098 posts

112 months

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Grenoble said:
Indeed I was.

crazy about cars

3,781 posts

56 months

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Somewhatfoolish said:
For one, tolerance.

I may be wrong, but let me illustrate a scenario.

Someone (I toyed alternately between calling him Somewhatfoolish or Papa Hotel for comedic effect, but have decided to call him Fred) buys a chicken from a supermarket. Then he fks (using protection) his sister (who is 26, compis mentis and willing) and then the chicken (no protection). Then he cooks and eats it.

I would predict that you would have a problem with what Fred did. I may be wrong of course.
It's clearly obvious what drugs did to you when I read that...

TVR1

4,098 posts

112 months

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Big_Dog said:
I am quite shocked at the conclusions jumped to by some on this thread. Thanks for sharing your adventures with us.
For me the moral of this story is: Trust no bd and buy decent legal advice.
Wishing you all the best with your obvious struggle to survive in the depths of your addictions. smile
Not quite. The moral of this story is something quite different. The OP is not 'a victim'. He is a result of his own weaknesses. Should he choose to attempt to get over his addictions, well, indeed, he should be applauded. But he must not be applauded for having his weakness in the first place. a small, subtle but quite important difference.
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