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brenflys777

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1,221 posts

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I have voted for the Conservatives and Labour at different stages of my life. I am pro-Europe but anti-EU.

I am increasingly frustrated by politicians who seem to justify a reluctance to give a referendum on the EU on the basis that I do not understand the issue and may vote the wrong way...

I hoped a coalition might provide the best of talents but now see just a lack of direction. The recent 'plebgate' incident has tipped me away from tactical voting on the basis of which party I do not want elected and made me consider UKIP more seriously. A review of their website and policies shows nothing to concern me. So as someone who has not entirely made their mind up.. UKIP - why not?

Paddy_N_Murphy

16,201 posts

70 months

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Wind: Meet Pissing.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,139 posts

102 months

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Because they're angry, resentful 'failed Tories' in sinister, dark cloaks. That's why not biggrin


martin84

5,366 posts

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A) A Cabinet is generally made up of around 25 people and aside from Nigel Farage I don't know anybody else who is in UKIP.

B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

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On a complete tangent, does anyone else remember Nigel Farage being involved in that plane crash a year or two back?

They had hired a small light aircraft to fly a UKIP banner, and he was in it. It crash landed, and flipped right over. Nige and the pilot had to crawl from the wreckage - luckily battered and bruised, but no serious injuries.

Don't like Farage, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone frown

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Paddy_N_Murphy

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Plane crashes ? and back in the room.......

Relevance to the UKIP (one Motto lot) being in charge of the huge pitiful waste of money that is UK PLC ?

Most pilloctions are self gratifying twunts, but I really worry that the public would vote in a bunch of Pitchfork waving MP's to take charge. Don't you ?

Just as a thought - a Politicians light is fading, in a fairly staunchy Daily Soovy part of the world, become UKIP. keep the gravy train rolling.
Beats working for a living.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,139 posts

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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Plane crashes ?
I did preface that with a 'tangent' warning biggrin

This is Pistonheads, don't forget - where 'irrelevent diversions' matter..!


Paddy_N_Murphy

16,201 posts

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Shoutey_Farage_chap said:
This is UKIP, don't forget - where 'irrelevent diversions' matter..!
EFA

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Ray Luxury-Yacht

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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Shoutey_Farage_chap said:
This is UKIP, don't forget - where 'irrelevent diversions' matter..!
EFA

wink
Nice work biggrin


brenflys777

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Ok. So, no reasons so far other than 'vote UKIP = get Labour' .. well I don't find this convincing anymore, even voting Conservative does not get Conservative so I think I may go back to principals and vote for belief rather than tactics, in which case - why not UKIP?

Paddy_N_Murphy

16,201 posts

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OP, list 5 reasons ?

martin84

5,366 posts

39 months

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brenflys777 said:
even voting Conservative does not get Conservative
Not when nearly 7 million vote for the Liberal Democrats and 35% stay at home you don't. Keep in mind maybe a quarter of them 7m could transfer to Labour in 2015 as the Lib Dems fall off the cliff. Do you really want to take your vote away from the one party with a halfway realistic chance of stopping them and instead vote for one which needs 1 million votes to get one seat?


brenflys777

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martin84 said:
brenflys777 said:
even voting Conservative does not get Conservative
Not when nearly 7 million vote for the Liberal Democrats and 35% stay at home you don't. Keep in mind maybe a quarter of them 7m could transfer to Labour in 2015 as the Lib Dems fall off the cliff. Do you really want to take your vote away from the one party with a halfway realistic chance of stopping them and instead vote for one which needs 1 million votes to get one seat?
At the moment YES. If they are closer to my ideal than a party whose chief whip either labels his protection team as plebs or liars, quite frankly why not?

brenflys777

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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
OP, list 5 reasons ?
Is that list 5 reasons 'why not', 'why' or something more obscure?

Pesty

30,674 posts

142 months

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martin84 said:
B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.
I really really really fking hate this argument.

Who cares blue/red get in its all the same.

Until people start voting for something different we will just continue as we are for ever and ever.

Our politics is broken, until we show them by doing somethign different we just perpetuate it and s like Blair and cameron get in for ever and ever.

brenflys777

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Pesty said:
martin84 said:
B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.
I really really really fking hate this argument.

Who cares blue/red get in its all the same.

Until people start voting for something different we will just continue as we are for ever and ever.

Our politics is broken, until we show them by doing somethign different we just perpetuate it and s like Blair and cameron get in for ever and ever.
Exactly.

martin84

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Pesty said:
Who cares blue/red get in its all the same.
PH cared two years ago. How many times was it said we'd be in as bad a state as Greece by now if Brown had continued? Go read the election results thread if you don't believe me.

Pesty said:
Until people start voting for something different we will just continue as we are for ever and ever.

Our politics is broken, until we show them by doing somethign different we just perpetuate it and s like Blair and cameron get in for ever and ever.
I mentioned on here recently the January 1910 election ended with the Conservative (and Liberal Unionist as it was then) Party, Labour and the Liberal Party as the top three. Bonar Law's seat was in Scotland so aside from the yellow parties name and the Tories standing in Scotland I'm not sure much as changed.

It also has to be pointed out we don't have a Conservative Government. We have a mishmash. If you put 'modern' centrist Tories in with the Lib Dems into some supercomputer it'd spit out a slightly less useless version of Labour. Which is what we have.

No PM since before WW2 has been judged purely by their performance as leader of a peacetime coalition. Our history of peacetime coalitions is generally pretty poor, only one in the last century completed it's term so the fact we're halfway through the Parliament and it's still standing should count for something.

fbrs

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Pesty said:
martin84 said:
B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.
I really really really fking hate this argument.
me too but there is some truth to it. slightly deranged of me i know but i ran the numbers for every consituency, had 50% of ukip voters voted tory (uniform swing), they would have had enough seats for a dup coalition, 93% would have given them outright majority. infact twice as many people voted for ukip as snp who got 6 seats and 6 times more than sdlp, pc, dup and sf combined who got 19 seats! the system is most definately broken. somehow the lib/lab/con coalition of incompetence have convinced people that ukip are a bunch of swivel eyed racists with too much hair to be in the bnp, yet time after time put a lib/lab/con idiot in a studio with the ukip rep and they are left frothing at the mouth whilst arrogantly denouncing the views of at least a million voters. voting ukip IS a waste of time, they arn't going to win a seat, but you know i think i might do anyway because wiping my arse with the ballot paper is probably an offense.

AJS-

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122 months

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No reason why not. It's exactly what I intend to do.

Keeping Labour out is just such a stupid reason. They're out now, is it so much different?

Jasandjules

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I hope that if enough people vote UKIP it will at least show the Tories that they are useless at the moment, I don't think there are going to be enough people voting Tory for them to win the next election. Perhaps a landslide defeat will shake things up enough so that next time we get a decent Opposition who can then take power and take the country forward.
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