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Jasandjules
45,414 posts
98 months
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Ok well if you were polite and first and just got abuse then fair enough to escalate it to the police...
TBH if I was stressed out and acted like that then later on I would call back to apologise (not that I have ever acted in such a way during a phone call!) as plainly I would be in the wrong.
Had you started of aggressive then I'd have said he would have been entitled to argue back.
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croyde
Original Poster
8,747 posts
99 months
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Aggressive Moi  Well a constable came round and listened to the message and said that he would like to do something about it as the guy sounded 'a bit of a sort'. In fact you could hear young kids in the background whilst he was telling my daughter what he was going to effing do to her. Nice! I asked that it was reported but unfortunately it was either a case of leaving it be or arresting the fella, but get this, the young PC warned me that if he were to be arrested he could complain that my daughter was harassing him, even though she said nothing, and she would be arrested until it was all sorted out. Obviously I went with the 'lets draw a line under this' option. As I said earlier I only called the 101 number for advice.
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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Well so much for the Police just having a quiet word! I suspected they would want action, it's too easy a nick to let pass.
Glad you got a satisfactory-ish outcome, I doubt you'll ever hear from him again and you can now move on. Just one of those things I guess...
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croyde
Original Poster
8,747 posts
99 months
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Shame that it all had to be over the top. The young PC was good but his sargeant wanted all or nothing.
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J3PTF
124 posts
27 months
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croyde said: she would be arrested until it was all sorted out. Since when has it been possible to arrest a 12 year old?
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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 As my old man used to say "the Law is a crude instrument, better to have nothing to do with it at all". Sounds like the sergeant was more interest in stats than providing the community with the reassurance it sought.
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streaky
18,235 posts
118 months
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DoubleSix said: [I] have an adorable niece whom I spend a good deal of time with. Its probably a good thing that this remark wasn't made in the Jimmy Saville thread.  Streaky PS - full marks for using the object pronoun, but none for ending the sentence with a preposition - S
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croyde
Original Poster
8,747 posts
99 months
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The PC said that he didn't like his sargeant, whom he had to contact by phone. I could hear some of what was said and the sarge sounded aggressive. I was surprised to be told that it was a woman.
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Jasandjules
45,414 posts
98 months
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J3PTF said: Since when has it been possible to arrest a 12 year old? Age of criminal responsibility is 10.
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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streaky said: DoubleSix said: [I] have an adorable niece whom I spend a good deal of time with. Its probably a good thing that this remark wasn't made in the Jimmy Saville thread. Streaky PS - full marks for using the object pronoun, but none for ending the sentence with a preposition - S Whilst your comment is obviously in jest, I'm afraid I don't share your sense of humour!
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Red Devil
4,248 posts
77 months
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croyde said: I asked that it was reported but unfortunately it was either a case of leaving it be or arresting the fella, but get this, the young PC warned me that if he were to be arrested he could complain that my daughter was harassing him, even though she said nothing, and she would be arrested until it was all sorted out. And some on here think the OP is over-reacting! So are we now to believe that a) two wrong number phone calls amount to harrassment and b) that it is both proportionate and necessary to arrest a 12 year old before any investigation is undertaken. The phone message is incontrovertible evidence. What is the caller going to do: deny that he made it? What kind of  up country do we now live in?
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Breadvan72
10,228 posts
32 months
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One in which we have very badly trained police officers, I am sorry to say.
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yellowjack
1,216 posts
35 months
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If I were the OP, I would be inclined to by myself the very cheapest PAYG phone, and call the aggressive idiot at all hours of the day and night, and play his own message back to him. Then, when I got bored with that, I would dump said phone in the recycling box at a local charity shop/hospital, and deny all knowledge. If the idiot were then to complain, he would be complaining about effectively harassing himself, and would have to admit to having left the abusive message in the first place. NOT that I would ever ENCOURAGE that sort of behaviour, just pointing out an option.
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Pontoneer
2,556 posts
55 months
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Jasandjules said: Age of criminal responsibility is 10. 12 here in Scotland , along with most of Europe
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croyde
Original Poster
8,747 posts
99 months
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 Very tempting but he has my daughter's number. Suppose I could have it changed, it's a contract phone. Plus now I have flagged it up and were he to complain, the police might put two and two together. Should have thought of that yesterday 
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blearyeyedboy
2,569 posts
48 months
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Croyde, seriously... does your house insurance have legal cover?
A good solicitor will be able to advise if your daughter is really likely to end up in hot water or if that's a load of guff.
(Since I know I'm at one end of the spectrum in this argument, I'd point out that I wouldn't bother paying my hard earned cash for a solicitor ... but if your house insurance has already paid for one it's worth asking them. You've got nothing to lose by asking.)
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7db
5,533 posts
99 months
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Breadvan72 said: Idiots do not listen to outgoing voicemail messages. My OGM says don't leave a message. But they go right ahead and do it anyway.
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Terzo123
1,355 posts
77 months
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Whilst I appreciate the OP's concern, this would appear to be a slight over reaction and total waste of police time.
Something that was no doubt not lost on the young Pc who turned up, who managed to steer the OP into not making a complaint to save any further time being wasted.
Angry man on phone - Ignore
Continued abusive calls from angry man - Contact police.
Mobile phones have a lot to answer for (No pun intended)
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98elise
3,172 posts
30 months
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DoubleSix said: NiceCupOfTea said: DoubleSix said: Great, so now some bloke is gonna get a record because you gave a 12 year old a mobile. What's wrong with a 12 year old having a mobile? Nothing, if they are mature enough to use it properly. But maybe we should leave that for another thread eh?.... So you've never miss-dialed? What a wonderfuly smug person you must be. Calling a 12 year old, or any female for that matter and telling them you are going to "f k them up" is not acceptable. I'd happly call the police, hopefully if its a young bloke his agressive ways towards women will be stopped there.
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slippery
9,395 posts
108 months
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98elise said: So you've never miss-dialed? What a wonderfuly smug person you must be. Calling a 12 year old, or any female for that matter and telling them you are going to "f k them up" is not acceptable. I'd happly call the police, hopefully if its a young bloke his agressive ways towards women will be stopped there. +1. 
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