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blueg33

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I am trying to buy a 10 year old 1.4 VW Golf to teach Blueg33 junior to learn to drive in.

I spent 8 hours yesterday driving to see all the cars (4) that are nearish to me (that means with 1 hours drive). Each car was described in the vein of "mint", "well maintained", "excellent condition" along with "first to see will buy", "we only sell quality cars",

So what do I get?

Car 1 - Described as cambelt done, excellent condition, FSH - The facts, cambelt needs doing in 6k miles, rear washwipe doesn't work, engine very tappety, dash air vents only point up

Car 2 - Described as good condition, cambelt done. - The facts, cambelt done 4 years ago so needs doing, airbag lights on, paintwork scarted in a radius of 6 inches around door handle and down to the metal, same owner for 8 year, no service history, oil like tar, would't start easily, sunroof not working at all, wiper bladed missing, door seals covered in algae etc etc

Car 3 - Described as excellent example - The facts, very shoddy reapir to front wing with metallic paint missing the lacquer coat, pointless aftermarket induction kit removing the air box and putting a crappy foam airfilter in the engine bay right over the exhaust manifold, every times something electric was switched on the alarm went off, engine had a gnome with a hammer inside, aircon actually worked!, couldnt test drive it as it was in the sellers compound and he would have to move 30 cars to get it out (I had telephoned to make an appointment), seller couldn't believe i didn't want to do the paperwork right away!

Car 4 - Described as excellent, low mileage, The Facts - nice sweet engine, paintwork recently cleaned with sand paper, bumper wrong colour, both door dropped so that they rubbed the bodywork when being closed, mirror control snapped off, seat worn through, dashboard loose, glove compartment jammed closed and hole drilled in it.

Car 1 was the best by miles and that was pretty poor IMO

In each case I spoke with the seller beforehand, asked about the car etc

Complete waste of my day. Well pissed off.

Anyone honest got a decent 1.4 golf for sale?

carreauchompeur

12,990 posts

92 months

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I would have hoped it wouldn't be too difficult, I mean a 10yr old Golf isn't exactly old or exotic... tts!

VinceFox

19,274 posts

60 months

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I had this when i was looking for an m3. On principle i wont travel ocer 100 miles now and even then it's only after i'm satisfied the seller isn't a bullstter.

sunshine1990

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30 months

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blueg33 said:
Anyone honest got a decent 1.4 golf for sale?
I hear volkswagen have some for Around £18,000.

You're buying a USED ten year old car and you're expecting no faults whatsoever

J4CKO

11,899 posts

88 months

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There will be one out there, some people arent very discening or are hoping the buyer isnt, some people buy a car and just drive it, not services, wheels black with brake dust, interior like a bin and only MOT it as otherwise they cant tax it and cant drive it without getting a pull, they dont have the wherewithal to change a bulb or pump the tyres up, a ten year old Golf 1.4 is their prime hunting ground as its good on petrol, fairly cheap, reasonably robust and its a Golf innit. A 1.4 isnt on average going to get the tlc of say a GTI or something.

Just keep looking, all you can do, try and spot the good ones on Ebay, well written ad, with lots of pictures, ask some very specific questions about cambelts etc, i.e. the date is was done, and we always need to reign in expectations a little with ten year old cars, but not as much as these sellers wanted you to !
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Deerfoot

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72 months

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sunshine1990 said:
You're buying a USED ten year old car and you're expecting no faults whatsoever
No, he's expecting them to be as described. They were not.

VinceFox

19,274 posts

60 months

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sunshine1990 said:
blueg33 said:
Anyone honest got a decent 1.4 golf for sale?
I hear volkswagen have some for Around £18,000.

You're buying a USED ten year old car and you're expecting no faults whatsoever
In the OPs defence, old cars aren't perfect, true, but some stuff is so obvious on viewing that it really shouldn't be left out or at the very least admitted to when asked over the phone.

The Moose

12,036 posts

97 months

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Dealer or private? What part of the world are you in?

Truckosaurus

4,141 posts

172 months

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Deerfoot said:
sunshine1990 said:
You're buying a USED ten year old car and you're expecting no faults whatsoever
No, he's expecting them to be as described. They were not.
Indeed. Although I suspect the sellers are likely to be misdiscribing through ignorance rather than malice. Also, it's the sort of car (type/age/price/etc) that people are usually selling due to impending failure/MoT/service.

The upside is that there is the potential to buy cheaply and then tart the car up and sell on for a decent price (for a change).

Engineer1

10,452 posts

97 months

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Deerfoot said:
sunshine1990 said:
You're buying a USED ten year old car and you're expecting no faults whatsoever
No, he's expecting them to be as described. They were not.
The problem is everyone is lying or bigging up their car so if you are honest and say the car has damaged paint, warning lights on etc then no one will even come out to view it. What to me is excessive damage may be reasonable wear on a 10 year old car, hell in a lot of people's minds that's a car that is one MOT failure away from scrapping especially as it is only a 1.4 basic model.

Astra Dan

1,160 posts

72 months

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Hmm, Golfs don't last long then! wink

POORCARDEALER

7,159 posts

129 months

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What price range are these cars?

EDLT

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94 months

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What sort of budget do you have? I was looking for something <£2500 and in the end I gave up on finding something with a service history (not that the car I was part-exing had one tongue out ).

Deerfoot

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Engineer1 said:
The problem is everyone is lying or bigging up their car so if you are honest and say the car has damaged paint, warning lights on etc then no one will even come out to view it.


I agree. However the OP said he spoke to the vendors prior to travelling so he has the right to be miffed when he is presented with a shed.

Assuming that he asked the right questions beforehand of course, and I believe that he did, especially where stuff like cambelts are involved.




Truckosaurus

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Deerfoot said:
....especially where stuff like cambelts are involved.
How many owners of 10yr old 1.4 Golfs even know what a cambelt is, and that it needs changing?

Also, don't they recommend replacing airbags at 10yrs old smile

No wonder such cars are effectively worthless.

Nigel Worc's

7,229 posts

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I don't know if this will help the op, but when in a similar situation a couple of years ago, I had more luck looking at skoda fabia's.

They seem, in very general terms, to have a different type of owner.

blueg33

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The Moose said:
Dealer or private? What part of the world are you in?
Both

blueg33

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sunshine1990 said:
blueg33 said:
Anyone honest got a decent 1.4 golf for sale?
I hear volkswagen have some for Around £18,000.

You're buying a USED ten year old car and you're expecting no faults whatsoever
I am not that stupid, and I don't expect no faults whatsoever, at no point did I say that. FFS I had a 10 yaer Tuscan, I know about faults.

What I want is people not to lie, not to mislead me and not to waste my time

blueg33

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POORCARDEALER said:
What price range are these cars?
£1200 - £2000

plus, price and condition seem to be in no way related.

Many years ago when I was a student, i bought cheap cars like Escorts Mk1's and 2's Toyota Corolla etc, all were over 10 years old, no one messed me about or misled me like these sellers are.

What sort of dealer has the car you have booked to see in a compound where 30 cars have to be moved by 1 guy, so you can take it for a test drive?

I am buying cheap ie under £2k because I see no benefit in buying something expensive for junior to learn in. I don't expect perfection, i expect good honest cars and good honest sellers. I don't care if cambelts need doing, I can sort that, but I dont expect to be told it doesn't need doing when it does, and I expect cars to be serviced or at least have an oil change occasionally


Edited by blueg33 on Sunday 7th October 19:08

blueg33

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Nigel Worc's said:
I don't know if this will help the op, but when in a similar situation a couple of years ago, I had more luck looking at skoda fabia's.

They seem, in very general terms, to have a different type of owner.
Am now looking at ads for Fabia's - Junior is not going to thank me, can I refer him to you smile

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