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JimmyTheHand

920 posts

29 months

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wst said:
just remember to keep an eye on your statements, people!
and keep an eye out for missing mail - someone was pinching the mail from a guy at work out of the letterbox in the block of flats they lived in (just putting hand through opening) - had applied for quite a few cards etc.

wst

Original Poster:

1,440 posts

48 months

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DWP said:
Aut quaeram vos volo respondit aut develope sensu humor.
Humor perfectam rationem habeo. Es iustus non mauris.

Think I've got all of the useful information out of this thread, thanks! And hopefully it won't happen to you. (Even if they weren't a scummy service with stupid interest rates, I'd not go to Wonga just because they have stupid, stupid adverts. I avoid gocompare as well, for the same reason. Stupid adverts.)

streaky

19,311 posts

136 months

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XDA said:
sugerbear said:
streaky said:
There is a low level of compromised PEDs in use. Some petrol stations have used them.

Streaky
PED - Performance Enchancing Frug or Pressure Equipment Directive ?
Pin Entry Device (Chip & Pin terminal)?
Actually, PIN Entry Device - as "PIN" is an acronym for Personal Identification Number. wink

Streaky

Garvin

1,058 posts

64 months

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streaky said:
XDA said:
sugerbear said:
streaky said:
There is a low level of compromised PEDs in use. Some petrol stations have used them.

Streaky
PED - Performance Enchancing Frug or Pressure Equipment Directive ?
Pin Entry Device (Chip & Pin terminal)?
Actually, PIN Entry Device - as "PIN" is an acronym for Personal Identification Number. wink

Streaky
Not short for PEDant then? wink

streaky

19,311 posts

136 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
wst said:
DWP said:
Aut quaeram vos volo respondit aut develope sensu humor.
Humor perfectam rationem habeo. Es iustus non mauris.
Sophos.

Streaky

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Benbay001

3,737 posts

44 months

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wst said:
this stuff was never taught in school or college, but instead I had to learn bloody Latin...
Absolutely, this drives me mad! I have no idea how to sort my finances, and always have to consult my mum.
A serious flaw in the education system!

rallycross

5,966 posts

124 months

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There is a free credit check service called noddle.com if you register there you can see any existing or new accounts against your name - when Someone set up a false account on sky tv using my card I found it here.

streaky

19,311 posts

136 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
Garvin said:
streaky said:
XDA said:
sugerbear said:
streaky said:
There is a low level of compromised PEDs in use. Some petrol stations have used them.

Streaky
PED - Performance Enchancing Frug or Pressure Equipment Directive ?
Pin Entry Device (Chip & Pin terminal)?
Actually, PIN Entry Device - as "PIN" is an acronym for Personal Identification Number. wink

Streaky
Not short for PEDant then? wink
Well, there was a question mark at the end, so I took that as meaning that XDA wasn't sure ... but YMMV when it comes to punctuation.

Streaky

sugerbear

1,001 posts

45 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
Garvin said:
streaky said:
XDA said:
sugerbear said:
streaky said:
There is a low level of compromised PEDs in use. Some petrol stations have used them.

Streaky
PED - Performance Enchancing Frug or Pressure Equipment Directive ?
Pin Entry Device (Chip & Pin terminal)?
Actually, PIN Entry Device - as "PIN" is an acronym for Personal Identification Number. wink

Streaky
Not short for PEDant then? wink
Technically POS (point of sale) terminals also allow signature entry as well redface) so they are SAPEDs. Although if you want to go even further some dont even require a PIN or Signature so they are just EDs.

I wondered though, exactly how do Wonga process the cash advances and subsequent repayments. If its by your card then surely the money would have to be deposited into the account the card is linked to and any subsequent repayment would have to be made by direct debit against the bank account which wouldn't be recorded on the point of sale transaction so there is no way the account number could have been cloned from the card (unless the card issuer is very sloppy and included the account information on the card or in some of the discretionary data within the chip.

Apologies, I know nothing about how wonga works but I dont see how a card could have been cloned from a POS/ATM terminal to get the informatin required.

XDA

1,990 posts

72 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
streaky said:
Garvin said:
streaky said:
XDA said:
sugerbear said:
streaky said:
There is a low level of compromised PEDs in use. Some petrol stations have used them.

Streaky
PED - Performance Enchancing Frug or Pressure Equipment Directive ?
Pin Entry Device (Chip & Pin terminal)?
Actually, PIN Entry Device - as "PIN" is an acronym for Personal Identification Number. wink

Streaky
Not short for PEDant then? wink
Well, there was a question mark at the end, so I took that as meaning that XDA wasn't sure ... but YMMV when it comes to punctuation.

Streaky
1-0 to you! tongue out

I was quite sure what a PED is as I setup and install them! wink And yes, they are very easy to compromise!

XDA

1,990 posts

72 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
sugerbear said:
Garvin said:
streaky said:
XDA said:
sugerbear said:
streaky said:
There is a low level of compromised PEDs in use. Some petrol stations have used them.

Streaky
PED - Performance Enchancing Frug or Pressure Equipment Directive ?
Pin Entry Device (Chip & Pin terminal)?
Actually, PIN Entry Device - as "PIN" is an acronym for Personal Identification Number. wink

Streaky
Not short for PEDant then? wink
Technically POS (point of sale) terminals also allow signature entry as well redface) so they are SAPEDs. Although if you want to go even further some dont even require a PIN or Signature so they are just EDs.

I wondered though, exactly how do Wonga process the cash advances and subsequent repayments. If its by your card then surely the money would have to be deposited into the account the card is linked to and any subsequent repayment would have to be made by direct debit against the bank account which wouldn't be recorded on the point of sale transaction so there is no way the account number could have been cloned from the card (unless the card issuer is very sloppy and included the account information on the card or in some of the discretionary data within the chip.

Apologies, I know nothing about how wonga works but I dont see how a card could have been cloned from a POS/ATM terminal to get the informatin required.
This is how they do it:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cardsloans/arti...

All you need is a compromised PED to collect credit/debit card details.

wst

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1,440 posts

48 months

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Hmm, so it could be the PED or one of the self-service cashpoint things in Morrisons, the PED in the petrol station, or the ATM outside of morrisons, if those things are so prevalent...

It's worrying I don't use my card much and they still got me... and there I was, trying to use it more so I didn't accumulate many pounds (both weight and value) of change over each year...

Edited by wst on Monday 8th October 23:38

SuperBen

121 posts

39 months

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Do people actually use companies like Wonga? Silly interest rates and all that!

stewjohnst

650 posts

48 months

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I'm sure people do. If you actually go have a play on their site, if it's a very short term loan like a few days (maybe you get a puncture are out of spare cash before payday and you need a new tyre to get to work and pay it back three days later) Then you only pay about a tenner for borrowing say £200. This is steep interest when using the APR calcs but in the grand scheme of things it's only a tenner.

The issue with these credit places are those people who borrow for the last week of the month but then don't adjust their budget and the last week becomes a fortnight and then three weeks, etc so they're forever rolling over or applying for more credit and sink under the burden.

XDA

1,990 posts

72 months

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Tuesday 9th October 2012 quote quote all
wst said:
Hmm, so it could be the PED or one of the self-service cashpoint things in Morrisons, the PED in the petrol station, or the ATM outside of morrisons, if those things are so prevalent...

It's worrying I don't use my card much and they still got me... and there I was, trying to use it more so I didn't accumulate many pounds (both weight and value) of change over each year...

Edited by wst on Monday 8th October 23:38
PED's can be compromised very easily via a number of simple methods.

sugerbear

1,001 posts

45 months

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Tuesday 9th October 2012 quote quote all
XDA said:
wst said:
Hmm, so it could be the PED or one of the self-service cashpoint things in Morrisons, the PED in the petrol station, or the ATM outside of morrisons, if those things are so prevalent...

It's worrying I don't use my card much and they still got me... and there I was, trying to use it more so I didn't accumulate many pounds (both weight and value) of change over each year...

Edited by wst on Monday 8th October 23:38
PED's can be compromised very easily via a number of simple methods.
And all they can effectively capture is the magstripe data with the PIN which most UK banks will decline unless you have told them you are going on holiday to a certain destination.

It's pointless capturing the chip data because if it's a chip tranasction you cant use the information to replay (as long as you use DDA or CDA authentication or if the processor has implemented EMV poorly). Bank account details dont need to be stored on the card either, just the card number.

I thought Wonga worked by you supplying your bank details and them sending a faster payment same day to credit your account followed by you paying the amount off (or maybe a direct debit). Its the second bit I dont understand, do you have to log on to repay the money or do they collect via a direct debit ?


Frijj

12 posts

26 months

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Wonga recover their money through a card payment, you give them the details of the card to take the payment from before they even decide whether to lend to you or not. You even get a text message a few days before it is due to remind you.

kooky guy

495 posts

53 months

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Might be best to make sure that this is actually sorted out with Wonga. From what I remember from the Watchdog thing, they would continue to keep taking money even after being told numerous times that there was a mistake/fraud.

I'm guessing that this could eventually result in a black mark on your credit report if they continued to treat it as non payment.

I would want something in writing from them to this effect if it were me.

djt100

1,128 posts

72 months

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SuperBen said:
Do people actually use companies like Wonga? Silly interest rates and all that!
They are a customer of ours, and yes lots of people use then and in 2 or so years they have gone from nothing to doing very well as you can probably guess.

Gareth79

2,952 posts

133 months

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kooky guy said:
Might be best to make sure that this is actually sorted out with Wonga. From what I remember from the Watchdog thing, they would continue to keep taking money even after being told numerous times that there was a mistake/fraud.

I'm guessing that this could eventually result in a black mark on your credit report if they continued to treat it as non payment.

I would want something in writing from them to this effect if it were me.
Me too. It's important to find out whether the loan was taken out in the OP's name, or just that the card was nominated to take payments from. If it was a debit card, then mis-keying is unlikely because there is a check digit and the expiry date would need to match.

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