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Art0ir

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I'm between one of these and a Jeep Grand Cherokee at the minute.

Can anyone who has owned one tell me what they're like to live with as a daily? I had a 300 TDI a few years ago, was a noisy, rackety thing but I loved it.

Are the V8's more refined? Also what options should I be after (cruise control, leather, etc?).

camel_landy

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Depends on the spec & age of both.

The GC is usually a high spec but their values plummet like a stone. You can get a lot of car for not a lot of money.

The Disco usually holds its value better and parts are easier to get hold of.

Both suffer from rot...

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E-B

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Yup second the lasts comments there. and i'm a die hard fan of all LR products.

If you want something for cruising about, easy to drive, easy to maintain then grab a disco.

If I was in the market for a V8 Disco, I'd look into an ex japanese 300 Series. Rot free and good value. Similar money will get a Disco 2 with a few more toys, but with more toys come more expense when they go wrong (ACE - Active Cornering Enhancement) pipes being a prime case with D2.

My personal view is stay away from cars converted to LPG - many will be agast at this, I've had a bad experience with a car with LPG, and frankly i prefer my wiring harnesses to be unmodified. Its just a Personal thing thats all.

Art0ir

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Should add I have a budget of around £3k. I could go higher but may weep like a child if I bent a wing while traversing the local terrain!

E-B

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33k will get you a half decent 300 series that may or may not need sme work or a D2 that will need work. I've seen D2's with chassis that require extensive welding for that budget.
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Art0ir

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E-B

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maybe, maybe not.

All depends on what the chassis is like and if its got ACE (pipes are not cheap, I've heard of folks being charged £600 for a set) and whether its got air springs in the rear. Noticed its got LPG, causes engine to run slightly hotter, I wonder what its service history is like.

It'd be worth having a look at all the same.

300bhp/ton

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Art0ir said:
I'm between one of these and a Jeep Grand Cherokee at the minute.

Can anyone who has owned one tell me what they're like to live with as a daily? I had a 300 TDI a few years ago, was a noisy, rackety thing but I loved it.

Are the V8's more refined? Also what options should I be after (cruise control, leather, etc?).
Depends what you are looking at really.

A 3.9 is a D1. These are good robust vehicles, but won't be hugely different to your 300Tdi. It's the same vehicle bar engine and gearbox.

They can suffer rust, but despite common believe it isn't usually terminal and is all fixable.

A 4.0 will be a D2 and the lower end of your budget. These are more refined than a D1, but not hugely so. They are quite a similar vehicle underneath.

The biggest difference is ACE (active cornering enhancement) and air rear suspension and improved NVH.

If you want refinement then a p38a Range Rover would probably top the LR offerings for this money, just make sure you know what you are getting into.


In the Jeep world you've got the Cherokee (XJ). The 4.0 is more peppy and powerful than the RV8 and combined with the Jeeps lower curb weight it's quite a bit more lively and better on fuel. Refinement is About equal to a Disco V8.

A Grand Cherokee is a class size above the Cherokee, although arguably still more compact and less spacious than a Disco.

Jeeps are often very well specced though, so offer very good bang for buck. But parts are less available and Jeep UK are sadly dire.

The Grand Cherokee is available with the same 4.0 S6 as the Cherokee and will still likely out perform an RV8 LR. You can also get the GC with a 5.2 or 5.9 V8. Fairly robust, although a few issues are known. These easily out perform the LRs.

If you can find one of the latter 4.7 V8's then they are really quite rapid.

Art0ir

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300bhp/ton said:
Depends what you are looking at really.

A 3.9 is a D1. These are good robust vehicles, but won't be hugely different to your 300Tdi. It's the same vehicle bar engine and gearbox.

They can suffer rust, but despite common believe it isn't usually terminal and is all fixable.

A 4.0 will be a D2 and the lower end of your budget. These are more refined than a D1, but not hugely so. They are quite a similar vehicle underneath.

The biggest difference is ACE (active cornering enhancement) and air rear suspension and improved NVH.

If you want refinement then a p38a Range Rover would probably top the LR offerings for this money, just make sure you know what you are getting into.


In the Jeep world you've got the Cherokee (XJ). The 4.0 is more peppy and powerful than the RV8 and combined with the Jeeps lower curb weight it's quite a bit more lively and better on fuel. Refinement is About equal to a Disco V8.

A Grand Cherokee is a class size above the Cherokee, although arguably still more compact and less spacious than a Disco.

Jeeps are often very well specced though, so offer very good bang for buck. But parts are less available and Jeep UK are sadly dire.

The Grand Cherokee is available with the same 4.0 S6 as the Cherokee and will still likely out perform an RV8 LR. You can also get the GC with a 5.2 or 5.9 V8. Fairly robust, although a few issues are known. These easily out perform the LRs.

If you can find one of the latter 4.7 V8's then they are really quite rapid.
Great info thanks. Refinement isn't top of my list, I'm just not quite ready to jump into a Defender with a tin roof for my daily if you get me. Are the 4.7 V8's significantly thirstier than the 4.0 lump?

I'm a little wary of electronic aided suspension, especially on older vehicles like this so I may give that a miss. Seems I'll be after a 3.9 with as low mileage and high spec as possible or a Grand Cherokee.

300bhp/ton

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Art0ir said:
Great info thanks. Refinement isn't top of my list, I'm just not quite ready to jump into a Defender with a tin roof for my daily if you get me. Are the 4.7 V8's significantly thirstier than the 4.0 lump?

I'm a little wary of electronic aided suspension, especially on older vehicles like this so I may give that a miss. Seems I'll be after a 3.9 with as low mileage and high spec as possible or a Grand Cherokee.
Not all D2's have air rear suspension, however you could convert any to coils. That said the air suspension isn't really that complex.

The 4.7 was Chrysler first new gen V8 engine. Mpg is probably similar to the 4.0 S6 but with more power then the old 5.9 Magnum V8.

If you are wanting it for proper off roading (your other thread), then you may want to consider if you want to mod.

LR's come very capable from the showroom, so some good MT's and you are set for most things. D2's could be had with TCS which is really rather good and a great alternative to diff lockers. However a D2 has an open centre diff by default, so you need to buy a kit to reinstate the linkage.

Jeeps are just as capable as LR's off road, but in stock trim tend to ride a little lower, so will perform worse. You'll want a lift kit on the Jeep to match a stock LR.

On the plus side the Jeep coil suspension is of superior design to the LRs. The leafs on the back of an XJ are quite affective and perfectly up to the task.

Graham

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ive had a 300 series v8s and have my current td5 from new in 03. the d2 is a much better truck, and ive had no problems with my rear air but dont have ace.

having said that the old v8 made me smile much more. my td5 has the full je engineering makeover so its actually got more power than the old v8 but the v8 was a much nicer engine to sit behind more refined and more flexible and not as clattery.


if my choice was a nice v8 d1 and a leggy cheap td5 i'd take the v8

Rum Runner

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Graham, I have D1 V8 manual and love it, I have a late D2 lined up (very low miles )to buy for the better half it also has stage one JE set up and manual box..how do you find it any issues.?
Look all over to find another mint D1 or D2 V8 manual.....but without much look.
Ever driven a D2 V8 manual ?.
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