will a water cooled 911 ever appreciate ?
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Well it seems that a new aircooled ship sets sail every other week and there arent many more that can rise in price !
964rs, 993rs, 911s, 993tt, 930, 964 turbo, 993 & 964 C2 and just recently 993 turbo S have gone bananas too ....
So we've yet to see a kettle rise in price. Folk have been predicting it with some of the 96 GT models for some time now but to be fair I only see 96 GT3 and RS's dropping, esp. over the last 6 months or so.
Is it about to happen, will it ever happen ? Or is the divide too great ?
964rs, 993rs, 911s, 993tt, 930, 964 turbo, 993 & 964 C2 and just recently 993 turbo S have gone bananas too ....
So we've yet to see a kettle rise in price. Folk have been predicting it with some of the 96 GT models for some time now but to be fair I only see 96 GT3 and RS's dropping, esp. over the last 6 months or so.
Is it about to happen, will it ever happen ? Or is the divide too great ?
james280779 said:
I have an aircooled and I am loving the appreciation in value 
lol, I have an aircooled, and I'm not enjoying the replacement cost of most things failing at the same time on a nearly twenty year car. Removed the exhausts last weekend, even found a rotton offside heat exchanger ..... blimey, what a job.
The air-cooled cars were virtually hand built and so comparatively rare. The current cars are mass-produced; the most valuable component being the badge on the front.
So, no, I cannot see water-cooled cars ever increasing in value over RPI inflation.
The thing that constantly surprises me is that 928's have never gone through the roof. The S3s still look exceptionally good today and is comparatively rare.
So, no, I cannot see water-cooled cars ever increasing in value over RPI inflation.
The thing that constantly surprises me is that 928's have never gone through the roof. The S3s still look exceptionally good today and is comparatively rare.
Wozy68 said:
james280779 said:
I have an aircooled and I am loving the appreciation in value
lol, I have an aircooled, and I'm not enjoying the replacement cost of most things failing at the same time on a nearly twenty year car. Removed the exhausts last weekend, even found a rotton offside heat exchanger ..... blimey, what a job.
Then I read Wozys and remembered why I moved to something newer.
Honestly, I am really missing my 964T, for all the reasons everyone already knows about.
It's that age old dilemma between new and old but after almost 10 years with aircooled cars I was getting a bit sick of always having a to-do list.
My 996GT3 is rare, still looks good, although not air-cooled good and feels very special. Oh, it sounds simply awesome too!
Once I have the front end blown in and maybe a bit of ecu tweaking in the spring, I will have no to-do list. That feels good to be honest.
I'm going to run it until next summer when hopefully I'll have really gelled with it and it will be a keeper. If not I'll be back in a 964T. They get slated on here for not handling
but I could make better progress on most roads than in my GT3. I know that because my mate who I bought the GT3 from was usually bouncing all over the road behind me, bottoming out, etc. ETA - Yes some GT models will appreciate but is it worth sitting on them for years in the hope that they do?
There are loads of cars out there to try, so try 'em.
Edited by marky911 on Tuesday 9th October 09:04
rdjohn said:
The thing that constantly surprises me is that 928's have never gone through the roof. The S3s still look exceptionally good today and is comparatively rare.
It was wrongly slated as non-true Porsche. Once the rot sets in, it takes ages for people to realise that as an engineering achievement it was miles and I truly mean miles better than anything Porsche have ever produced until the introduction of the the 993. Think of the 964 - it took absolute ages for people to wake up and realise they are damn fine cars. Yet, for ever, all I kept readingc and listening to was: - rubbish car, inferior to the 993 in so many ways, you are better off with a 3.2 etc. etc.
Lastly, I guess you are talking about the S4 - the S3 was a very rare emissions special sold in small numbers in Switzerland and Australia, and a few more in the US...
I just bought a late 928 GTS 5-spd as a punt. Even if it does not rise in value, I will enjoy driving one of the best Porsches ever made.
Fingers crossed on the 928's but i have a feeling it will only be the GTS and SE that actually rise quite a bit.
Having just picked up an S4 for a very reasonable price i'm positive i got a hell of a lot of car for the money. As an investment though, i'm not so sure.
As with most, it'll be the halo versions that pull the rest up over time.
With the 996/997 again, it will take a rise in the price of the RS's by quite some margin to drag up even the GT3/2's.
They're not dropping much but they're certainly not on the rise yet as far as i've seen over the last 2 years.
Having just picked up an S4 for a very reasonable price i'm positive i got a hell of a lot of car for the money. As an investment though, i'm not so sure.
As with most, it'll be the halo versions that pull the rest up over time.
With the 996/997 again, it will take a rise in the price of the RS's by quite some margin to drag up even the GT3/2's.
They're not dropping much but they're certainly not on the rise yet as far as i've seen over the last 2 years.
Give it 10 years and you might see the 996 C2/4 following the current rise of the 964 to high teens/early twenties (?). This assumption is based on the number of tatty cars/cars with broken engines etc that will be broken for spares allowing the enthusiast to maintain their cars to a very high standard.
I've hankered after a 911 since young, however I recently spoke to a colleague who advised that as a drivers car its a bit "unique" compared to a modern day sports coupe.
Something about the front bouncing up and down over fast uneven roads , understeer then snap oversteer, and a few other handling traits which thankfully we've all moved on from.
He uses his every day but even so he reckons a kettle is a much nicer everyday car, I'm now looking at a kettle instead...
Something about the front bouncing up and down over fast uneven roads , understeer then snap oversteer, and a few other handling traits which thankfully we've all moved on from.
He uses his every day but even so he reckons a kettle is a much nicer everyday car, I'm now looking at a kettle instead...
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