MP's snouts in the trough again..whats the answer

MP's snouts in the trough again..whats the answer

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rogerthefish

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1,985 posts

230 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Building a travel lodge residence (not in the million pound an office style of portcullis house though) and one train ticket a week would put an instant stop to these parasites.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9615992/E...

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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rogerthefish said:
Building a travel lodge residence (not in the million pound an office style of portcullis house though) and one train ticket a week would put an instant stop to these parasites.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9615992/E...
Yes shower of grasping tts and the poison dwarf is trying to cover it up!!!
Mind some prat will come out with oh if they were better paid they wouldent
feel the need to fiddle.. travel lodge !???Id build a guilitine..shoot

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Having them all staying in one building would be a massive terrorist target. I like your thinking.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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They are all in one building now, when they shout about things.

petemurphy

10,108 posts

182 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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pay them a proper wage?

Bibbs

3,733 posts

209 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Use some of the accomodation they built for the olympics?

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Have them dragged through the streets while being pelted with rotten fruit and veg by the populace, then shoot them through the back of the head and throw the corpse to a pack of wild dogs.

Either they'll get the message, or we'll end up with a load of dead MPs.

Win-win!


ClaphamGT3

11,269 posts

242 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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If you want to stop this sort of thing, someone has to sort out the 30-year fudge of MP pay.

Pay them a rate that reflects the importance of what they do but stop all expenses and make earning external income whilst drawing a parliamentary salary an offence. They make their own housing and pension provisions and when they leave office they can do what they like but if they use their parliamentary connections for financial gain they are disbarred from all political office for life.

The pay would probably need to be, as a minimum;

Back bencher £250k
PPS £350k
Junior minister £500k
Cabinet/leader of opp £750k
PM £1m

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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powerstroke said:
the poison dwarf is trying to cover it up!!!
He should be sacked too. He can't even keep his vacuuous wife under control.

PeanutHead

7,839 posts

169 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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The fact that they want to keep it a secret is damaging enough, transparent as glass the sticky fingered fkers.

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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ClaphamGT3 said:
If you want to stop this sort of thing, someone has to sort out the 30-year fudge of MP pay.

Pay them a rate that reflects the importance of what they do but stop all expenses and make earning external income whilst drawing a parliamentary salary an offence. They make their own housing and pension provisions and when they leave office they can do what they like but if they use their parliamentary connections for financial gain they are disbarred from all political office for life.

The pay would probably need to be, as a minimum;

Back bencher £250k
PPS £350k
Junior minister £500k
Cabinet/leader of opp £750k
PM £1m
I'm not sure that really reflects the importance of what they do, to be honest.

I know PH land is a bit different, but £250k a year guaranteed is a massive salary for most. I don't think this would attract "better" candidates, it would just attract more money hungry ones. Entering politics for the money is not a good starting point in my view.

Their current £66k + travel and accommodation allows a comfortable life, so why not just give them a fixed London accommodation allowance if they live beyond a certain radius of the HoC, and a mileage allowance for travel by car, reimbursement for flights or train tickets. And no you can't charter a Lear jet to go to Oxford East.

greygoose

8,224 posts

194 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Digga said:
powerstroke said:
the poison dwarf is trying to cover it up!!!
He should be sacked too. He can't even keep his vacuuous wife under control.
To be fair she does seem a bit of a handful.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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greygoose said:
Digga said:
powerstroke said:
the poison dwarf is trying to cover it up!!!
He should be sacked too. He can't even keep his vacuuous wife under control.
To be fair she does seem a bit of a handful.
I know, sneaky off to camps and all that. What a slapper. Still fk him, he deserves it!

As for the MPs, I thought they'd 'got' it after the last round of expenses scandal. Granted, a good junk of the public are pretty dumb - just check out the level of reading and comprehension skills required to read the DM from cover-to-cover and remeber that their readers are fairly literate - but not entirely stupid and the message is getting through to hthem, not just about MPs, but banks, multinational tax-dodgers (businesses and individuals) etc. etc. and it will change opinion.

PugwasHDJ80

7,522 posts

220 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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AJS- said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
If you want to stop this sort of thing, someone has to sort out the 30-year fudge of MP pay.

Pay them a rate that reflects the importance of what they do but stop all expenses and make earning external income whilst drawing a parliamentary salary an offence. They make their own housing and pension provisions and when they leave office they can do what they like but if they use their parliamentary connections for financial gain they are disbarred from all political office for life.

The pay would probably need to be, as a minimum;

Back bencher £250k
PPS £350k
Junior minister £500k
Cabinet/leader of opp £750k
PM £1m
I'm not sure that really reflects the importance of what they do, to be honest.

I know PH land is a bit different, but £250k a year guaranteed is a massive salary for most. I don't think this would attract "better" candidates, it would just attract more money hungry ones. Entering politics for the money is not a good starting point in my view.

Their current £66k + travel and accommodation allows a comfortable life, so why not just give them a fixed London accommodation allowance if they live beyond a certain radius of the HoC, and a mileage allowance for travel by car, reimbursement for flights or train tickets. And no you can't charter a Lear jet to go to Oxford East.
66k is bugger all in London- and to boot most council executives get paid more than that.

its ridiculous that you have council leaders on more than the PM! and is one of the main reason why only rich people end up running the government

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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On expenses, just scrap the special rules for MPs and make them abide by the same rules everyone else has to.

There is nothing special about working unsocial hours, away from home etc. But no one else gets the ability to do what they do with their expenses.

Perhaps living as everyone else has to might make them think harder on the policy front.

Ref salaries, don't they already get paid 3x the average salary? Or put another way, a salary that sees them in the top 3% anyway? (Without even considering allowances). I'd much rather see other things focussed on - like removing career politicians. Make an entry criteria be that you must have worked in the private sector for at least 5yrs before becoming a politician.

These people are meant to be our leaders. A bit more leading by example would be nice.

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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66k plus accommodation is far from bugger all.

And they're in London to represent their constituents in parliament, then go back there, not to go swanning around expensive restaurants with their mistresses and partying with billionaire playboys.

I understand the argument that paying them more reduces their need to find alternative sources of income like fiddling expenses and other forms of corruption, I just don't think it really applies here.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
66k is bugger all in London- and to boot most council executives get paid more than that.

its ridiculous that you have council leaders on more than the PM! and is one of the main reason why only rich people end up running the government
Is the only answer to that to up MP salaries...

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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AJS- said:
66k plus accommodation is far from bugger all.

And they're in London to represent their constituents in parliament, then go back there, not to go swanning around expensive restaurants with their mistresses and partying with billionaire playboys.

I understand the argument that paying them more reduces their need to find alternative sources of income like fiddling expenses and other forms of corruption, I just don't think it really applies here.
^All of this.

And yes, I also agree with Murph7355 in making them submit reciepts - like the rest of us have to - for all their expenses and that this cannot include lunch. They can live by the rules they impose on every other working person or leave their office AFAIK.

PeanutHead

7,839 posts

169 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Who checks exspenses ? do they have a finance dept like most companies that do audits etc... or do they have a guy down at the treasury just toping up bank cards limits?
Would be good if they had an independant aduit office that worked in favour of the taxpayer.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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PeanutHead said:
Who checks exspenses ? do they have a finance dept like most companies that do audits etc... or do they have a guy down at the treasury just toping up bank cards limits?
Would be good if they had an independant aduit office that worked in favour of the taxpayer.
They don't have to stump up receipts for anything under £250 AFAIK, so what's to check? A few bills for rent and tax firm accounts?