another abuse gang
Discussion
Transmat said:
WinstonWolf said:
So does that excuse these Muslim gangs then?
Come again?That's a bit like saying do these Muslim gangs excuse the white gangs. Which is obviously not the case as I've just posted links to white gangs too. Of course it doesn't you fool.
Just out of interest do you find one worse than the other?
M159V8 said:
Don't particularly want or think we need Sharia Law, however the fact of the matter is that this simply wouldn't have happened if Sharia Law was in place. Not that living in a country without Sharia is any reason to justify the atrocities committed.
Mohib,You haven't been to Egypt or Bagrain then, those are just two where similar acts have happended.
Isn't sharia law in place in these two countries.
I personally feel there are fundamental problems with the Islamic religion but that's not the subject of this thread.
Phil
Pesty said:
Simply wouldn't ave happened?
So there are no rapes in countries with sharia?
Isn't it then called adultery or female sin or bringing the family/clan/tribe/Islam into dishonour or something and the woman victim conveniently stoned to hide any male guilt?So there are no rapes in countries with sharia?
Edited by Pesty on Friday 28th June 21:35
Rape? No nothing to see here, just an awful, lusty woman being entombed... move on... prayers starting in 30 mins...
Further to my previous post above "there are fundamental problems with the religion";
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2013/06/30/Pa...
Phil
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2013/06/30/Pa...
Phil
WinstonWolf said:
You seem to have trouble accepting there is a problem, which is a common theme in these cases. Just checking you're not trying to justify their behaviour.
When have I ever said there isn't a problem?!?Read my posts in this thread, I've been saying all along that there is a big problem with child sex offences in this country, including these gangs, and that I'm glad they are locked up!
BUT that there is a bigger problem outside of this gang, which is demonstrated with the number of convicted child sex offenders that are locked up each year, of which I have already posted the stats for this showing the ethnic demographic (there isn't stats for religion). The figures cannot be argued with.
So, at no point have I said there isn't a problem, see my posts for yourself
Do try and keep up.
Transmat said:
MX7 said:
Transmat, do you think there is no foundation for this thread then?
See my post above,Lets also have your questions that you are so keen for me to answer...
jshell said:
But in 17 court cases since 1997 where groups of men were prosecuted for grooming 11 to 16 year old girls on the street, 53 of the 56 people found guilty were Asian, 50 of them Muslim, while just three were white, The Times reported.
Transmitter Man said:
Mohib,
You haven't been to Egypt or Bagrain then, those are just two where similar acts have happended.
Isn't sharia law in place in these two countries.
I personally feel there are fundamental problems with the Islamic religion but that's not the subject of this thread.
Phil
Phil,You haven't been to Egypt or Bagrain then, those are just two where similar acts have happended.
Isn't sharia law in place in these two countries.
I personally feel there are fundamental problems with the Islamic religion but that's not the subject of this thread.
Phil
I have actually been to Egypt, although it was 6 years ago so I guess it doesn't count.
Sharia law these days isn't even implemented properly in many Islamic countries. One country where it is, for example Saudi Arabia, is where this type of incident wouldn't occur.
Perhaps if you like you could start a thread where we could have a spirited discussion about your personal fundamental problems with the religion, and address misconceptions and maybe explain things in a little more detail.
Anyway, let's get back on topic
Mohib
M159V8 said:
Transmitter Man said:
Mohib,
You haven't been to Egypt or Bagrain then, those are just two where similar acts have happended.
Isn't sharia law in place in these two countries.
I personally feel there are fundamental problems with the Islamic religion but that's not the subject of this thread.
Phil
Phil,You haven't been to Egypt or Bagrain then, those are just two where similar acts have happended.
Isn't sharia law in place in these two countries.
I personally feel there are fundamental problems with the Islamic religion but that's not the subject of this thread.
Phil
I have actually been to Egypt, although it was 6 years ago so I guess it doesn't count.
Sharia law these days isn't even implemented properly in many Islamic countries. One country where it is, for example Saudi Arabia, is where this type of incident wouldn't occur.
Perhaps if you like you could start a thread where we could have a spirited discussion about your personal fundamental problems with the religion, and address misconceptions and maybe explain things in a little more detail.
Anyway, let's get back on topic
Mohib
MX7 said:
And I posted this earlier ..http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/41036-registered-sex-o...
'Temporary Assistant Chief Constable Ingrid Lee, who is in charge of the initiative, said: “We all have a responsibility to confront this terrible crime and to protect those who are the most vulnerable in society.”
She said the force arrested more than 100 people last year on suspicion of grooming offences. There are 40 ongoing investigations into the crimes.
Of the 263 identified suspected groomers still at large, 57 per cent are Asian men.
But Mrs Lee said that figure may be skewed because of the greater focus on the Asian community as a result of high-profile court cases.
She said the vast majority of child abuse was carried out by white men, adding: “The Asian community recognises that this is an issue and we are working with them on it.
“But there are people who are serial abusers who are very clever and secretive and if we don’t focus on every community, we will miss them.”
Then this in the news this morning...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23001428
You had some specific questions for me.. Fire them over..
M159V8 said:
Transmitter Man said:
Mohib,
You haven't been to Egypt or Bagrain then, those are just two where similar acts have happended.
Isn't sharia law in place in these two countries.
I personally feel there are fundamental problems with the Islamic religion but that's not the subject of this thread.
Phil
Phil,You haven't been to Egypt or Bagrain then, those are just two where similar acts have happended.
Isn't sharia law in place in these two countries.
I personally feel there are fundamental problems with the Islamic religion but that's not the subject of this thread.
Phil
I have actually been to Egypt, although it was 6 years ago so I guess it doesn't count.
Sharia law these days isn't even implemented properly in many Islamic countries. One country where it is, for example Saudi Arabia, is where this type of incident wouldn't occur.
Perhaps if you like you could start a thread where we could have a spirited discussion about your personal fundamental problems with the religion, and address misconceptions and maybe explain things in a little more detail.
Anyway, let's get back on topic
Mohib
I admit I had to laugh when i spotted the implication in your post of using Saudi Arabia as an example of when things work well! Anyone old enough to remember the build up to and horror of the Death Of A Princess incident? A disgusting society using power, money and state force to keep people in 'order' with a helping side dish of "follow the true religion" on top...
AnonSpoilSport said:
Anyone old enough to remember the build up to and horror of the Death Of A Princess incident? A disgusting society using power, money and state force to keep people in 'order' with a helping side dish of "follow the true religion" on top...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcV_b1Pemzo15 minute video
This one? Didn't a UK minister apologise over filming of the event or something like that?
Mermaid said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
Anyone old enough to remember the build up to and horror of the Death Of A Princess incident? A disgusting society using power, money and state force to keep people in 'order' with a helping side dish of "follow the true religion" on top...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcV_b1Pemzo15 minute video
This one? Didn't a UK minister apologise over filming of the event or something like that?
A somewhat sneaky blight on the world, Saudi Arabia, but kept fat and happy - well, the few - because they seem to be on side with the US et al. Just don't mention the hushed exporting of extremism, Wahhabism (or is that the dodgy fish?) and terror. What's it they say about, "with friends like that..."?
Transmat said:
And I posted this earlier ..
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/41036-registered-sex-o...
'Temporary Assistant Chief Constable Ingrid Lee, who is in charge of the initiative, said: “We all have a responsibility to confront this terrible crime and to protect those who are the most vulnerable in society.”
She said the force arrested more than 100 people last year on suspicion of grooming offences. There are 40 ongoing investigations into the crimes.
Of the 263 identified suspected groomers still at large, 57 per cent are Asian men.
But Mrs Lee said that figure may be skewed because of the greater focus on the Asian community as a result of high-profile court cases.
She said the vast majority of child abuse was carried out by white men, adding: “The Asian community recognises that this is an issue and we are working with them on it.
“But there are people who are serial abusers who are very clever and secretive and if we don’t focus on every community, we will miss them.”
Then this in the news this morning...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23001428
You had some specific questions for me.. Fire them over..
All very well and it's just the latest in your long line of clouding a discussion, with: 'Yeah, yeah, but forget THEM, look over THERE!'http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/41036-registered-sex-o...
'Temporary Assistant Chief Constable Ingrid Lee, who is in charge of the initiative, said: “We all have a responsibility to confront this terrible crime and to protect those who are the most vulnerable in society.”
She said the force arrested more than 100 people last year on suspicion of grooming offences. There are 40 ongoing investigations into the crimes.
Of the 263 identified suspected groomers still at large, 57 per cent are Asian men.
But Mrs Lee said that figure may be skewed because of the greater focus on the Asian community as a result of high-profile court cases.
She said the vast majority of child abuse was carried out by white men, adding: “The Asian community recognises that this is an issue and we are working with them on it.
“But there are people who are serial abusers who are very clever and secretive and if we don’t focus on every community, we will miss them.”
Then this in the news this morning...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23001428
You had some specific questions for me.. Fire them over..
Can you point out anywhere else within UK grooming gangs where the perpetrators are actually using colour or belief systems to target and justify their treatment of their victims, rather than just being peedling b
ds?Of course, the outcome is the same - broken children, but the justifications are not so simple. These guys aren't just targeting girls, they are targeting a specific section of the population and almost punishing them for having the arrogance to be white and from broken homes. They see it as OK to target these specific children because they are white meat, or w
es or asking for it.Perhaps in our supposed multi-cultural society that's what infuriates. Many paedos hate what they are, but as many have admitted - they know they cannot stop. These guys know what they're doing and actually seek to justify it, thinking they are doing absolutely nothing wrong.
That's why we must encourage and support the Muslim community in dealing with the issue, because they are the only ones that can stop this before more children are broken for life. The police and courts can only address the aftermath.
And none of what I've said there undermines the need to pursue and track down every other peedly dirt-bag either and make them pay for what they've done!
jshell said:
All very well and it's just the latest in your long line of clouding a discussion, with: 'Yeah, yeah, but forget THEM, look over THERE!'
Can you point out anywhere else within UK grooming gangs where the perpetrators are actually using colour or belief systems to target and justify their treatment of their victims, rather than just being peedling bds?
Of course, the outcome is the same - broken children, but the justifications are not so simple. These guys aren't just targeting girls, they are targeting a specific section of the population and almost punishing them for having the arrogance to be white and from broken homes. They see it as OK to target these specific children because they are white meat, or wes or asking for it.
Perhaps in our supposed multi-cultural society that's what infuriates. Many paedos hate what they are, but as many have admitted - they know they cannot stop. These guys know what they're doing and actually seek to justify it, thinking they are doing absolutely nothing wrong.
That's why we must encourage and support the Muslim community in dealing with the issue, because they are the only ones that can stop this before more children are broken for life. The police and courts can only address the aftermath.
And none of what I've said there undermines the need to pursue and track down every other peedly dirt-bag either and make them pay for what they've done!
You are going to have to point me to where I said forget about the victims. Stop being a nugget and start debating. Can you point out anywhere else within UK grooming gangs where the perpetrators are actually using colour or belief systems to target and justify their treatment of their victims, rather than just being peedling b
ds?Of course, the outcome is the same - broken children, but the justifications are not so simple. These guys aren't just targeting girls, they are targeting a specific section of the population and almost punishing them for having the arrogance to be white and from broken homes. They see it as OK to target these specific children because they are white meat, or w
es or asking for it.Perhaps in our supposed multi-cultural society that's what infuriates. Many paedos hate what they are, but as many have admitted - they know they cannot stop. These guys know what they're doing and actually seek to justify it, thinking they are doing absolutely nothing wrong.
That's why we must encourage and support the Muslim community in dealing with the issue, because they are the only ones that can stop this before more children are broken for life. The police and courts can only address the aftermath.
And none of what I've said there undermines the need to pursue and track down every other peedly dirt-bag either and make them pay for what they've done!
You are giving them far too much credit by saying they have some kind of intellectual reason behind their choice of victim. The reason they are going after these girls is because a) they are easier to mould from a grooming perspective - young Muslim girls do not go out late at night drinking in parks and these gangs were enticing these girls with alcohol and drugs (going against their own religion), and b) because of the disgrace they know abusing a fellow Muslim will bring upon them within their comminity, there are a number of complex social rules which some Muslims like to follow which would make this completely forbidden. They are going after these white girls because they are VULNERABLE and they think its less of an issue to so. It's as simple as that.
Everything these people do goes against their religion, so implying they are targeting white girls for some kind of retaliation against the western lifestyle is ridiculous. It might be some BS excuse you and they use, but they are simply going after what they think is easiest to get away with.
And as for any other gangs that target colour or belief systems, well yes actually this happens a lot. For example prostitutes often claim to be raped (a belief that prostitues are not worthy victims and deserve it etc) and as for colour, there are many examples of not necessarily colour but race, take all the perverts from the UK that go to places like Thailand or Cambodia to have sex with underaged children due specifically to the fact that their country seems to turn a blind eye, and that the victims won't complian as they need the money. We hear on th news today that UK pervs are webcaming children from Russia. We have prostitues trafficked into this country from china for prostitution, which is sex abuse on a wide scale in my opinion - and yes this includes underaged children. They are targeted for a specific type of client who like oriental girls - this is well known.
Why don't you try looking past your nose at the bigger picture rather than pigeonholing the problem.
Have you got anymore sensible questions for me?
andymadmak said:
"She also found the majority of perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage"UK IS members mainly Pakistani?
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