another abuse gang
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heebeegeetee said:
About as different from ours as is possible to be.
Do some reading, try Malala's book - I was hoping it would contain more about Birmingham but it is predominately about Pakistan/Swat valley, and I think it's when you read just an ordinary account of daily life that you realise how bad and how ridiculous the situation out there is.
They are so totally wrapped up in religion and tradition, and controlled so strongly by such stupid people, that you realise they are always going to be poor. The rates of illiteracy is so high and child marriage is regarded as normal.
The great majority of people brought up into that culture are not going to change, and they are absolutely not going to assimilate into a culture like ours.
There are significant cultural differences between different areas of Pakistan. Swat/NWFP / the tribal areas have different a culture and customs to the more urban areas. However to a large degree that is irrelevant. From what I've seen most of these scrotes are UK born and bred.Do some reading, try Malala's book - I was hoping it would contain more about Birmingham but it is predominately about Pakistan/Swat valley, and I think it's when you read just an ordinary account of daily life that you realise how bad and how ridiculous the situation out there is.
They are so totally wrapped up in religion and tradition, and controlled so strongly by such stupid people, that you realise they are always going to be poor. The rates of illiteracy is so high and child marriage is regarded as normal.
The great majority of people brought up into that culture are not going to change, and they are absolutely not going to assimilate into a culture like ours.
andymadmak said:
anonymous said:
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Well, maybe because the Police kept "losing" the evidence that more than one girl provided. Including bags of cloths containing LOTS of forensic data....Or not arresting the parents who try to rescue them
Or...a thousand other things
On R2 news last night a load of the girls abused are suing the council & SYP
Digga said:
Twincharge said:
s1962a said:
UKIP, interesting. Amjad Bashir said:
I am proud of my Pakistani heritage, proud of being a Yorkshireman and proud of being an MEP. But today I am ashamed and my whole community of proud Pakistani descent is ashamed of these young men who have behaved so appallingly against some of the most vulnerable people in our society.
My father came to this country in the 1950's and I followed in the early 60's and we made our best efforts to fit in and have always been proud to be here and take a full part in Britain. My father was a mill worker but always dressed in Western clothes and wore a shirt and tie at weekends and the next generation did the same. He did this out of a desire to prove that he, as an immigrant, wished to integrate and show it publicly...
I have younger relatives and friends, and it breaks my heart that that is how people look at them as they walk down the street.
I think the comments on integration are very telling - this is very distinct from the mindsets prevalent with other immigrants, not only from Pakistan and IMHO is crucial in the success of immigration in general.My father came to this country in the 1950's and I followed in the early 60's and we made our best efforts to fit in and have always been proud to be here and take a full part in Britain. My father was a mill worker but always dressed in Western clothes and wore a shirt and tie at weekends and the next generation did the same. He did this out of a desire to prove that he, as an immigrant, wished to integrate and show it publicly...
I have younger relatives and friends, and it breaks my heart that that is how people look at them as they walk down the street.
On his latter point I can sympathise, I have very dear friends who are Indian (non-mulsim) who I fear could be wrongly targeted by vigilantes if the wider cultural issues around not only this, but immigration in general, are not properly addressed. A full and proper discussion can only reduce the prejudices and ignorance of those who merely see 'immigrants' or those of different races or religions to their own as the problem.
He received a fair bit of racial abuse for being a Pom but gradually worked through it by making friends of 'second Australians' (not a phrase to use with them) at work and in his and his wife's volunteer work. The only reason he returned to the UK was a serious illness with his youngest where the best medical attention for it was to be found in the UK.
He said that whilst he did not avoid other Poms as a matter of course, if one wore sandals, especially with socks, he would not even speak with them. He said that when such contact was unavoidable he always found that they were unhappy. He remembered one complaining bitterly about having to send back 'home' for HP Sauce.
I reckon the encouragement by the various agencies for immigrants to retain the old values helps neither them nor us.
As a general rule I find it easy to get on with those immigrants and their descendants who do not wear national costume.
Countdown said:
There are significant cultural differences between different areas of Pakistan. Swat/NWFP / the tribal areas have different a culture and customs to the more urban areas. However to a large degree that is irrelevant. From what I've seen most of these scrotes are UK born and bred.
There may be, but I think if you take a look at a map of literacy in Pakistan, I think it gives an inication of the problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan...heebeegeetee said:
There may be, but I think if you take a look at a map of literacy in Pakistan, I think it gives an inication of the problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan...
Sorry, I'm not with you. Yes, literacy rates are variable in Pakistan but I would be surprised if the majority of these criminals werent UK born and raised.Nice to see that Ed Milliband has finally come out to express his disgust at.....
Oh sorry no, he hasn't yet. He's just hit his Twitter feed to mock the Tories for the defecting UKIP MP.
Because lets face it, that is far more important than 1400 raped girls.
Offences that were carried out from 1997 onward, when the Labour party came to power.
Offences that were carried out under a Labour council.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour run Social Services Department.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour party member who was head of child services and is now Police Commissioner for the area and is now refusing to resign fuelling the disgust of the whole nation. Why there is even a photograph of Milliband shaking his hand while campaigning for that scumbags election.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour MP who was later found out to be guilty of defrauding the electorate and seemingly doesn't seem to feel even the remotest iota of guilt for it.
But its ok, laughing at the Tories and saying that they don't care for hard working families is far more important than addressing those issues, eh Ed?
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Oh sorry no, he hasn't yet. He's just hit his Twitter feed to mock the Tories for the defecting UKIP MP.
Because lets face it, that is far more important than 1400 raped girls.
Offences that were carried out from 1997 onward, when the Labour party came to power.
Offences that were carried out under a Labour council.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour run Social Services Department.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour party member who was head of child services and is now Police Commissioner for the area and is now refusing to resign fuelling the disgust of the whole nation. Why there is even a photograph of Milliband shaking his hand while campaigning for that scumbags election.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour MP who was later found out to be guilty of defrauding the electorate and seemingly doesn't seem to feel even the remotest iota of guilt for it.
But its ok, laughing at the Tories and saying that they don't care for hard working families is far more important than addressing those issues, eh Ed?
You
.heebeegeetee said:
Countdown said:
There are significant cultural differences between different areas of Pakistan. Swat/NWFP / the tribal areas have different a culture and customs to the more urban areas. However to a large degree that is irrelevant. From what I've seen most of these scrotes are UK born and bred.
There may be, but I think if you take a look at a map of literacy in Pakistan, I think it gives an inication of the problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan...FredClogs said:
heebeegeetee said:
Countdown said:
There are significant cultural differences between different areas of Pakistan. Swat/NWFP / the tribal areas have different a culture and customs to the more urban areas. However to a large degree that is irrelevant. From what I've seen most of these scrotes are UK born and bred.
There may be, but I think if you take a look at a map of literacy in Pakistan, I think it gives an inication of the problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan...Anyhow, did Pakistan exist before partition?
The Hypno-Toad said:
Nice to see that Ed Milliband has finally come out to express his disgust at.....
Oh sorry no, he hasn't yet. He's just hit his Twitter feed to mock the Tories for the defecting UKIP MP.
Because lets face it, that is far more important than 1400 raped girls.
Offences that were carried out from 1997 onward, when the Labour party came to power.
Offences that were carried out under a Labour council.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour run Social Services Department.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour party member who was head of child services and is now Police Commissioner for the area and is now refusing to resign fuelling the disgust of the whole nation. Why there is even a photograph of Milliband shaking his hand while campaigning for that scumbags election.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour MP who was later found out to be guilty of defrauding the electorate and seemingly doesn't seem to feel even the remotest iota of guilt for it.
But its ok, laughing at the Tories and saying that they don't care for hard working families is far more important than addressing those issues, eh Ed?
You.
As much as I hate Miliband and Labour, particularly the South Yorkshire lot, a bit of that comment is unfair. Oh sorry no, he hasn't yet. He's just hit his Twitter feed to mock the Tories for the defecting UKIP MP.
Because lets face it, that is far more important than 1400 raped girls.
Offences that were carried out from 1997 onward, when the Labour party came to power.
Offences that were carried out under a Labour council.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour run Social Services Department.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour party member who was head of child services and is now Police Commissioner for the area and is now refusing to resign fuelling the disgust of the whole nation. Why there is even a photograph of Milliband shaking his hand while campaigning for that scumbags election.
Offences that were missed or ignored by a Labour MP who was later found out to be guilty of defrauding the electorate and seemingly doesn't seem to feel even the remotest iota of guilt for it.
But its ok, laughing at the Tories and saying that they don't care for hard working families is far more important than addressing those issues, eh Ed?
You
.There is the inference above that the offences were committed from 1997 and thus implying that prior to Labour coming into power all was sweetness and light.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
It was 1997 when the Risky Business project was set up as a team of social workers in an outreach project to children at risk of CSE. It could be argued that it was Labour who responded to staff reports of significant CSE and it wasdown to Labour that tthe council was able to give continuous financial support.
One suspects that the recent report starts the timeline at 1997 because this was when the project started. However the abuse itself started under a Tory government.
Did they not provide the funds or was it the usual case where local councils run by the party in opposition nationally make very political but unwise funding decisions. I don't know the answer to this.
However it makes it worse that having recognised the problem they then f
ked it up so spectacularly. irocfan said:
the peeps of the CSE have my full admiration, I must admit that I could not do this job regardless of pay. I rather suspect that I'd find myself up in front of the beak in very short order, without wishing to come across all Deathwish/Falling Down my inclination would be 'deal within things'. Having to sit down and talk to some of these creatures would turn my stomach and give me nightmares
What about the police? According to the abused looking for help but were turned away because "had it coming". If they were "had it coming" one would speculate some were little s
ts from sink estates.If they were the sort to give grief would you do something if they claimed to be sexually abused?
Smiler. said:
FredClogs said:
heebeegeetee said:
Countdown said:
There are significant cultural differences between different areas of Pakistan. Swat/NWFP / the tribal areas have different a culture and customs to the more urban areas. However to a large degree that is irrelevant. From what I've seen most of these scrotes are UK born and bred.
There may be, but I think if you take a look at a map of literacy in Pakistan, I think it gives an inication of the problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan...Anyhow, did Pakistan exist before partition?
The name Pakistan literally means "Land of the Pure" in Urdu and Persian. It was coined in 1933 as Pakstan by Choudhry Rahmat Ali, a Pakistan Movement activist, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never,[19] using it as an acronym ("thirty million Muslim brethren who live in PAKSTAN") referring to the names of the five northern regions of the British Raj: Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan
Bit confused as to where the "A" comes from in that anagram... Anyhow that is pre 1947 so in that sense Pakistan did exist pre partition. But I take your point, may my flippancy be ever more factual from now on...
Having lived in Bradford for the best part of 30 years (now thankfully long since departed) the only surprise about this whole disgusting saga is that it has taken so long to become public knowledge.
When I was at school back in the 80s, come the 3.30 end of day bell and the road outside would be thronged with various Nissans, Toyotas and Hondas - each one being driven by a lone adult male of a certain demographic. Each one beckoning 12, 13 and 14 year old girls into their car.
The Head Teacher would invariably call the Police to have them moved along, but they would be back the next day, in even greater numbers. As is now, it was just accepted and brushed under the carpet and it didn't just happen at my school.
When I was at school back in the 80s, come the 3.30 end of day bell and the road outside would be thronged with various Nissans, Toyotas and Hondas - each one being driven by a lone adult male of a certain demographic. Each one beckoning 12, 13 and 14 year old girls into their car.
The Head Teacher would invariably call the Police to have them moved along, but they would be back the next day, in even greater numbers. As is now, it was just accepted and brushed under the carpet and it didn't just happen at my school.
Mr Daytona said:
Having lived in Bradford for the best part of 30 years (now thankfully long since departed) the only surprise about this whole disgusting saga is that it has taken so long to become public knowledge.
When I was at school back in the 80s, come the 3.30 end of day bell and the road outside would be thronged with various Nissans, Toyotas and Hondas - each one being driven by a lone adult male of a certain demographic. Each one beckoning 12, 13 and 14 year old girls into their car.
The Head Teacher would invariably call the Police to have them moved along, but they would be back the next day, in even greater numbers. As is now, it was just accepted and brushed under the carpet and it didn't just happen at my school.
Very interesting as we are still away in Turkey and we had dinner this evening with friends who have a place here as well they have a daughter the same age as our son and moved away from Oldham when she was pregnant. This topic came up as the topic of conversation shifted to towards UK current affairs. When I was at school back in the 80s, come the 3.30 end of day bell and the road outside would be thronged with various Nissans, Toyotas and Hondas - each one being driven by a lone adult male of a certain demographic. Each one beckoning 12, 13 and 14 year old girls into their car.
The Head Teacher would invariably call the Police to have them moved along, but they would be back the next day, in even greater numbers. As is now, it was just accepted and brushed under the carpet and it didn't just happen at my school.
However the mother is now 38 and she related pretty much exactly the same as occurring in various areas of Oldham and that it had been going on since she was of school age and that a few of her school friends did indeed get caught up in it. They also cited it amongst one of the many reasons why they left the central Oldham area when they found out they were having a child and have moved to Uppermill to make sure they were out of that environment.
Whilst Rotherham and Rochdale have been shamed this report could be written about many places.
The perpetrators may not be Pakistani or the ubiquitous search category on the computer for 'Asian' 'male' it's clear that there is an official turning of a blind eye "Oh he/she/they is/are on the game, prostitutes. " Wilful blindness.
It's not just white girls and older Asian males, but when it is there does seem to be a refusal to deal as evidenced on this thread. It could involve Afro- Caribbean girls, boys, white perpetrators English and otherwise and the Roma are another group that should be named and shamed.
Also CSE does not necessarily always involve an older perpetrator as sometimes both victim and abuser are minors.
It's as have written before, cut out the selective and, in some cases, wilful blindness. Without fear or favour.
The perpetrators may not be Pakistani or the ubiquitous search category on the computer for 'Asian' 'male' it's clear that there is an official turning of a blind eye "Oh he/she/they is/are on the game, prostitutes. " Wilful blindness.
It's not just white girls and older Asian males, but when it is there does seem to be a refusal to deal as evidenced on this thread. It could involve Afro- Caribbean girls, boys, white perpetrators English and otherwise and the Roma are another group that should be named and shamed.
Also CSE does not necessarily always involve an older perpetrator as sometimes both victim and abuser are minors.
It's as have written before, cut out the selective and, in some cases, wilful blindness. Without fear or favour.
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