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PorkInsider said:
WinstonWolf said:
Looks like Magnum has got his wish after all 
Indeed.And I would envisage a huge turnout with neither 'side' doing themselves any favours in the eyes of the wider public.
What really isn't needed is something like this to detract from the issue and give the wrong people the chance to proclaim themselves 'victims'.
heebeegeetee said:
Plus people continue to come from the region, people who are unlikely to be fully literate and will have been brought up in such a way that they will not assimilate to a western lifestyle.
[randmode]Excuse me for borrowing your words here heebeegeetee, but I have noticed a few posters on here fall into the trap of thinking that "multiculturalism" is about people coming to UK (German, France, USA, insert western democracy name here) and assimilating to become part of one unified civilized (mostly) culture. I used to think that way too and let's be honest that is how things are dressed up to be. However the truth is hiding in plain sight, the clue is in the name multi-culturalism, in other words multiple cultures living in the same country.
The experiment that all "progressive" governed nations began in relatively recent history is most definitely part of a long term progressive game plan to break down the nation state, you can go rummaging through all kinds of old communist/socialist literature as far back as Marx to find reference to this kind of thinking. Strong national identities particularly those with strong values of self reliance such as in the USA or UK have long been recognized by the left as major hurdles to overcome in their move to power and they assault it along various vectors; multiculturalism is one of those vectors.
Again, sorry to hijak but I felt it needed saying.
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XM5ER said:
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Excuse me for borrowing your words here heebeegeetee, but I have noticed a few posters on here fall into the trap of thinking that "multiculturalism" is about people coming to UK (German, France, USA, insert western democracy name here) and assimilating to become part of one unified civilized (mostly) culture. I used to think that way too and let's be honest that is how things are dressed up to be. However the truth is hiding in plain sight, the clue is in the name multi-culturalism, in other words multiple cultures living in the same country.
The experiment that all "progressive" governed nations began in relatively recent history is most definitely part of a long term progressive game plan to break down the nation state, you can go rummaging through all kinds of old communist/socialist literature as far back as Marx to find reference to this kind of thinking. Strong national identities particularly those with strong values of self reliance such as in the USA or UK have long been recognized by the left as major hurdles to overcome in their move to power and they assault it along various vectors; multiculturalism is one of those vectors.
Again, sorry to hijak but I felt it needed saying.
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I agree. In fact I've been saying exactly this for yearsExcuse me for borrowing your words here heebeegeetee, but I have noticed a few posters on here fall into the trap of thinking that "multiculturalism" is about people coming to UK (German, France, USA, insert western democracy name here) and assimilating to become part of one unified civilized (mostly) culture. I used to think that way too and let's be honest that is how things are dressed up to be. However the truth is hiding in plain sight, the clue is in the name multi-culturalism, in other words multiple cultures living in the same country.
The experiment that all "progressive" governed nations began in relatively recent history is most definitely part of a long term progressive game plan to break down the nation state, you can go rummaging through all kinds of old communist/socialist literature as far back as Marx to find reference to this kind of thinking. Strong national identities particularly those with strong values of self reliance such as in the USA or UK have long been recognized by the left as major hurdles to overcome in their move to power and they assault it along various vectors; multiculturalism is one of those vectors.
Again, sorry to hijak but I felt it needed saying.
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Countdown said:
heebeegeetee said:
I agree, but they're born and raised in families with entrenched views on the world, which clearly have not changed in the younger generations.
I agree with you to an extent. As far as I can see the ones who were involved just wanted sex, a big taboo in the muslim community. The Asian taxi driving community isn't exactly overflowing with the casanova types, combined with the fact that they will be seeing attractive women dressed to the nines every weekend who wouldn't give them the time of day. So they wanted women, and the only women they could "get" were young vulnerable girls.Why did it go on unreported for so long? My guess is that it wasn't common knowledge among the wider community. Those that were aware of the girls being involved would have been told by the perpetrators that they were just (a) "girlfriends" or (b) prostitutes. The cultural taboo around "sex" led to all this being ignored or brushed under the carpet.
heebeegeetee said:
They are also firmly enmeshed within a strong religion which has many perverse views on life and how societies should function.
I don't think religion played a part in this. What they did was pretty much the exact opposite of what the imams tend to teach. heebeegeetee said:
Plus people continue to come from the region, people who are unlikely to be fully literate and will have been brought up in such a way that they will not assimilate to a western lifestyle.
Fortunately it's become much more difficult to move from the Indian sub-continent to the UK. Once they close the student loophole it will hopefully become even harder.Did you not read the articles about council members from that part of the community? Or the attempted suppression to try and keep it in the community?
The wishful thinking based denial here is astounding.
rich1231 said:
Wider community didnt know?
Did you not read the articles about council members from that part of the community? Or the attempted suppression to try and keep it in the community?
The wishful thinking based denial here is astounding.
I think Countdown means that the wider community was late in identifying the problem.Did you not read the articles about council members from that part of the community? Or the attempted suppression to try and keep it in the community?
The wishful thinking based denial here is astounding.
My wife is from Bradford, and she says that in the mid to late 80's, indeed Pakistani men used to show up in their cars to entice girls into them at schools/college's.
However, she did say that a lot of the time it was to see their girlfriends, who were also Pakistani, and not openly allowed to go where they please. Pakistani families was a lot stricter with their children back then, so the only time you could see a boyfriend/girlfriend was during school/college hours. During those hours you would not need to explain away where you had been.
If you recall, many made a fortune from holding daytime gigs where youngsters could come and meet the opposite sex, get drunk and have a dance during school/college hours.
However, she did say that a lot of the time it was to see their girlfriends, who were also Pakistani, and not openly allowed to go where they please. Pakistani families was a lot stricter with their children back then, so the only time you could see a boyfriend/girlfriend was during school/college hours. During those hours you would not need to explain away where you had been.
If you recall, many made a fortune from holding daytime gigs where youngsters could come and meet the opposite sex, get drunk and have a dance during school/college hours.
The effectiveness of all these these shinybottoms is difficult to underestimate.Mermaid said:
Plenty of incompetence for sure, and lots of criminality - including aiding/abetting/keeping quiet.
Rotherham Imam & ex deputy chief leader Jahangir Akhtar saying parents of the perpetrators & the Muslim community bear a responsibility - they have been reading the newspapers, for they had no idea till now.If this is how the Pakistani community operates is it any wonder the authorities struggle.
Note I am not excusing anything that went on in SYP and RMBC, but read this story from Skipton and weep.
The untold story of how a culture of shame perpetuates abuse. I know, I was a victim
Note I am not excusing anything that went on in SYP and RMBC, but read this story from Skipton and weep.
The untold story of how a culture of shame perpetuates abuse. I know, I was a victim
Guam said:
can we be confident that social cohesion might not collapse?
Well I for one am positively looking forward to it.
Seriously, what do you think is going to happen? Surely the problem of the last few decades has been that if any group is able and willing to summon an angry crowd in response to an 'injustice' it is the perpetrators' community, not the victims' relatives?
Not sure if it has been said on here but it was on the radio this morning -
A woman who worked at a children's home said that for years while she was there, girls were picked up from the home in taxis paid for by the council, to be abused, EVERY NIGHT.
Apart from the sickening scale of this, this is almost an industrial scale production line, being paid for by our money, and clearly so many people being complicit in it!
Aren't these people sickened by their own actions? Ok so she is speaking up now but they have had a part to play in this! Why does nobody have a back bone anymore?
A woman who worked at a children's home said that for years while she was there, girls were picked up from the home in taxis paid for by the council, to be abused, EVERY NIGHT.
Apart from the sickening scale of this, this is almost an industrial scale production line, being paid for by our money, and clearly so many people being complicit in it!
Aren't these people sickened by their own actions? Ok so she is speaking up now but they have had a part to play in this! Why does nobody have a back bone anymore?
One of the perhaps telling things is that the more and more momentum this gains and the more and more facts come to light about the actual perpetrators of these despicable crimes the less and less we seem to see of our resident defenders - odd that!
I wonder why that might be.... could it be that there is finally a realisation that the facts are indefensible and as much as there were other factors and those factors need to be investigated from the Police to the Care homes etc what is now monumentally apparent is the perpetration of these crimes was undertaken for the most part by predominantly the demographic that was being so loudly defended.
I wonder why that might be.... could it be that there is finally a realisation that the facts are indefensible and as much as there were other factors and those factors need to be investigated from the Police to the Care homes etc what is now monumentally apparent is the perpetration of these crimes was undertaken for the most part by predominantly the demographic that was being so loudly defended.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Guam said:
As more unfolds, with it appears more to come from other areas, is anyone else becoming concerned that we may see a trend towards vigilante justice on our streets?
This.And probably a lot sooner than you might think.
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