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andymc

7,334 posts

206 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Currently in Newcastle the police are "working" with community leaders on Operation Sanctuary, another investigation into grooming by taxi drivers and takeaway shop workers, I thought rape used to be a police/C.I.D matter?

gpo746

3,397 posts

129 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Cats out the bag isn't it ?
Someone above mentioned "resident defenders" - I noticed that too. Odd isn't it.

heppers75

3,135 posts

216 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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gpo746 said:
Cats out the bag isn't it ?
Someone above mentioned "resident defenders" - I noticed that too. Odd isn't it.
It isn't that odd really as if you look at what their arguments were based on and the manner in which they were coming across, you would hardly expect them to be the types to actually admit they were wrong. They are far more the type to simply skulk off into the background or play one final racist card to have the last word and sulk off in a huff.

I would also suspect if they have an ounce of decency in them they are also somewhat ashamed as they will see what is now happening, which is that the momentum is definitely being gained and it is very apparent that whilst there were many other factors and failings from all manner of quarters including the police and care authorities as well as the failings of the society that put those girls where they were in the first place, which all need to be addressed and are frankly shameful. What cannot be denied, obfuscated or reasonably argued against is that the perpetrators of these very organised series of crimes over a large number of years were predominately members of a certain demographic. Also that this has been the case in Rotherham, Rochdale and other locations where that demographic is focused and the sad thing in fact the very sad thing is I have a distinct feeling much like the whole celebrity theme that started with Saville, this one is going to escalate to other places and other areas in the UK and very likely to include more of the same perpetrator profile and modus operandi and the fallout from that will likely be far more than mass disappointment in the actions of childhood heroes. Especially when the EDL and the other looney right organisations use it as their rallying cry to the moronic red top reading masses!

Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Twincharge said:
However, she did say that a lot of the time it was to see their girlfriends, who were also Pakistani, and not openly allowed to go where they please. Pakistani families was a lot stricter with their children back then, so the only time you could see a boyfriend/girlfriend was during school/college hours. During those hours you would not need to explain away where you had been.
They (Pakistanis) are very protective of their own females.

My best friend (apart from my OH) is Pakistani and when we go out for an evening we tend to be out nearer to my place, so she ends up in the taxi after dropping me off at my place.

Very often (about half) she ends up getting grief off the taxi driver about being out with me (I'm not asian, I'm a white Lancastrian) and such comments as "what are you doing with him" - sometimes they've started kicking off in urdu while I'm still in the taxi! Luckily she's got a bit of a gob on her and gives back as good as she gets.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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andymc said:
The figures don't lie, there is a propensity of Pakistani males who are grooming white girls for sex
And it appears abusing there own as well, which we don't hear about due to the pressure of silence on girls to protect their family 'honour'.

Obviously family honour is more important than protecting your children from abuse - in fact it's not a too far step from that to 'honour' killings is it, which also seems prevalent among the same culture.

This entire topic just makes me so angry it's quite remarkable to me, as I usually don't get so wound up over things.

andymc

7,334 posts

206 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Yes, it seems sexual abuse gets shoved under the carpet as shameful to the family

torqueofthedevil

2,068 posts

176 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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I'm pretty sure its all about the girls being white. I don't think (in fact in almost certain that this isn't)your typical sexual predator that targets any vulnerable girl, the entire driving force is that they are white.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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So the entire driving force is that they are white is it? You clearly haven't read the thread properly OR looked at the evidence.

Here is something posted yesterday. Read it then adjust your thinking.



The untold story of how a culture of shame perpetuates abuse. I know, I was a victim

http://gu.com/p/4x6v4

carinaman

21,219 posts

171 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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FiF, thanks again for that link.

torqueofthedevil said:
I thought this the other day and I agree. Why are we going along with this tribal way of dealing with issues? It's not how we operate in the UK. If a member of the white community commits a crime we don't send police to talk to the local priests and vicars and elders in the community! Why give them a platform to make important decisions on strategy and probably act as judge and jury on crimes.
Interesting point.

Your use of 'tribal' made me think of Theresa May trying to say Baroness Butler-closed-Shop was the best person to do her overarching inquiry into organised paedophilia. Baroness Butler-Sloss is part of the establishment tribe? Supposedly she told a child sex victim that the press would love a Bishop and so tried to persuade him to let his claims drop.

I am finding it difficult not to compare this with the Bill Maloney and Chris Fay stuff discussed in the Cliff Richard and Cyril Smith threads.

They talk of a young lad trafficked to the Continent to be tortured in a snuff movie. I am not sure how the described content compares with dousing these young girls in petrol, making them watch others being raped and being threatened with their mother being gang raped if they didn't comply?

Bill Maloney refers to a 'clean pair of hands' to look at the allegations about the who, what, when, why about what was happening at Elm Guest House, Barnes. PCC Shaun Wright isn't a clean pair of hands is he? Baroness Butler-Sloss may be a clean pair of hands, but she couldn't be seen as impartial.

I can't see how there's any point with Theresa May's Modern Slavery Bill when this has been going on in Rotherham in since 2005 with the full knowledge of the police and social services said Prof. Alexis Jay and May's choice of Baroness Butler-Sloss to chair the overarching organised paedophile inquiry. How can that Bill set the world standard on Modern Slavery and People Trafficking when the police were aware of what was going on since 2005? Plus Theresa May would seem to be on a sticky wicket with the PCC project and PCC Shaun Wright thinking he can leave this mess behind in his Council role in 2010? PCC Shaun Wright and Baroness Butler-Sloss need to realise it's not about them personally, it's about their suitability for the task in hand.

Those in Westminster are another tribe that's not above trying to control people and information to secure their own survival and keep themselves looking clean and out of jail.

Edited by carinaman on Saturday 30th August 21:56

heebeegeetee

28,591 posts

247 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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andymc said:
I suggest by saying as whites we should look after our children more carefully and they won't be attacked was goading of the highest order.
What happens to children whose parents won't look after them properly? Should the state wash not care for them also?

andymc

7,334 posts

206 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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I would hope the state would step in, hopefully when these animals get convicted the judge throws the book at them due to political pressure

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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carinaman said:
FiF, thanks again for that link.
You're welcome. So it's the story of just one girl in just one community but it seems to prick the bubbles of 'accepted wisdom' around this on so many levels.

It happens to be about a small Pakistani girl and her community and parents wilfully not dealing with the situation.

What's needed is that this is just one facet of a multi faceted stain on society encompassing all areas, classes, creeds and races.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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carinaman said:
FiF, thanks again for that link.
You're welcome. So it's the story of just one girl in just one community but it seems to prick the bubbles of 'accepted wisdom' around this on so many levels.

It happens to be about a small Pakistani girl and her community and parents wilfully not dealing with the situation.

What's needed is that this is just one facet of a multi faceted stain on society encompassing all areas, classes, creeds and races.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Seems some Labour politicians are beginning to admit that their hard line on political correctness is partly to blame.

Wonderful piece by Simon Danczuk linked below. He outs Dennis McShane as admitting that he deliberately steered clear of the child abuse situation for political ends and to avoid rocking the boat.

He also touches on something that irks me where politicians are frightened to speak out for fear of deviating too far off message and the stock replies.

It's something I first encountered with Blunkett when he was head at Sheffield council. This bloke is impressive one thought. After a time it was obvious he had a stock of carefully prepared answers which he duly trotted out even though it wasn't relevant to the question. No different at the Home Office the prick.

Anyway please read Danczuk's piece





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11066...

Edited by FiF on Sunday 31st August 11:07

freakybacon

549 posts

162 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Meanwhile, Mrs Balls wades in....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rot...

(No comments allowed)

Also, decent piece with Ann Cryer

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rot...

(comments allowed)

Any word from Ed Miliband yet?

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

131 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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One of the claims of those excusing this is the lack of evidence.

However there are seeming 100 babies that resulted from these assault; some genetics and mathmatics will prove these cases of statutory rape.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherh...

carinaman

21,219 posts

171 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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freakybacon said:
Any word from Ed Miliband yet?
No comment from Jack Straw:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/roth...

I was thinking that perhaps my favourite war criminal and after dinner speaker about surviving mental illness, Alastair Campbell would be implicated, but Jack Straw, a leading peddler of New Labour's cynical climate of fear that also sat on Hillsborough for years has his name at the end of that article will do.

'If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide'?

rolleyes

And doesn't Carswell's defection to UKIP have something to do with Cameron's Sofa clique, where what's said and done doesn't match what they say or their policies? Cameron is operating like Blair was?

Edited by carinaman on Sunday 31st August 11:47

heebeegeetee

28,591 posts

247 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Martin4x4 said:
One of the claims of those excusing this is the lack of evidence.

However there are seeming 100 babies that resulted from these assault; some genetics and mathmatics will prove these cases of statutory rape.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherh...
At least those babies won't have suffered the inbreeding that is also statistically far too high in the Pakistani community.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Just in case anybody has forgot Rotherham council were the ones who removed children from foster parents because they were ukip voters. All the time they were ignoring this going on.

Dan_1981

17,351 posts

198 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Fairly large prtest group at the retail park in Rotherham yesterday morning, no coverage of this in any press that I've seen.