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anonymous said:
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I can only speak for Leeds City Council. They have a pretty sophisticated IT infrastructure set up, my sister works for them, connects remotely, and she is not allowed to save work related documents on her laptop. I can't think they are the only council in the UK with such a system. . don4l said:
Heads need to roll. In fact, I suspect that some officials have committed criminal acts.
It goes further up the chain of command too. Who was it that was inculcating these officials with the idea that you were not allowed to mention "Asian men"? There has been a vile and totalitarian campaign to bludgeon the country into the multi-culturalism tramline. It has been an example of the worst sort of propaganda and newspeak.Guam said:
Some of the people behind this coverup should face jail time imho, if we conspired to cover up crimes of this magnitude we could be assured of being sent down I reckon!
I'm sure Lie-bour will make sure the buck stops at a relative low level and everyone else can feign shock/horror/surprise at what has gone on.25NAD90TUL said:
I happen to have some knowledge of the Quran.
In Islam a girl child is considered ready for marriage on appearance of their first period.
The prophet Mohammed maried Ayesha at age 6, but then he did wait...The marriage was consummated at age 9.
Now if the men in question came up with the defence that they were attempting to convert the girls to Islam by their actions, that would be perfectly acceptable behaviour according to the book.
Dunno if that has any bearing on this.
I'm not racist at all, I know when it comes to crimes of this nature that the type of men involved are opportunists, whatever their race.
Now it just so happens that these type of girls, vulnerable, cold, hungry, desperate for attention, aren't going to wander into your car body repair shop at 3pm.
They are going to be in late night takeaways, hungry, cold etc at 3am though, same with taxi-ranks, 'can I sit in your taxi mister and get warm?' 'How many chips can I get for 23p?'
I think men who are driven in that way will take opportunities as they present themselves whatever their race, I've known plenty of 'questionable' white men with very little in the way of a 'moral compass' plenty in the rock 'n' roll business. With late-night taxis and takeaways it is a fact that where there are large populations of Pakistani men, they do tend to work in these industries. As stated the girls are hardly likely to wander into your business that closes at 5pm.
A lot of problems come about because of this 'honour' bs. Not wanting the dis-honour of this on their family (who would?) can lead to perverting the course of justice, not wanting to bring public attention to it even though they may be appalled by it, councillors pulling strings to not bring the shame on the extended family of a 'perp'.
Myself if it was my own brother I'd want him done, shamed, probably castrated, certainly ostracised, sharing a name doesn't mean you share the shame...
Or does it? Clearly in the eyes of some communities it does.
Where in the Quran does it say Mohammed married Aysha at the age of 6 and consumated the marriage at the age of 9?In Islam a girl child is considered ready for marriage on appearance of their first period.
The prophet Mohammed maried Ayesha at age 6, but then he did wait...The marriage was consummated at age 9.
Now if the men in question came up with the defence that they were attempting to convert the girls to Islam by their actions, that would be perfectly acceptable behaviour according to the book.
Dunno if that has any bearing on this.
I'm not racist at all, I know when it comes to crimes of this nature that the type of men involved are opportunists, whatever their race.
Now it just so happens that these type of girls, vulnerable, cold, hungry, desperate for attention, aren't going to wander into your car body repair shop at 3pm.
They are going to be in late night takeaways, hungry, cold etc at 3am though, same with taxi-ranks, 'can I sit in your taxi mister and get warm?' 'How many chips can I get for 23p?'
I think men who are driven in that way will take opportunities as they present themselves whatever their race, I've known plenty of 'questionable' white men with very little in the way of a 'moral compass' plenty in the rock 'n' roll business. With late-night taxis and takeaways it is a fact that where there are large populations of Pakistani men, they do tend to work in these industries. As stated the girls are hardly likely to wander into your business that closes at 5pm.
A lot of problems come about because of this 'honour' bs. Not wanting the dis-honour of this on their family (who would?) can lead to perverting the course of justice, not wanting to bring public attention to it even though they may be appalled by it, councillors pulling strings to not bring the shame on the extended family of a 'perp'.
Myself if it was my own brother I'd want him done, shamed, probably castrated, certainly ostracised, sharing a name doesn't mean you share the shame...
Or does it? Clearly in the eyes of some communities it does.
Please give references otherwise people will call you out on it!
desolate said:
fido said:
I'm sure Lie-bour will make sure the buck stops at a relative low level and everyone else can feign shock/horror/surprise at what has gone on.
If you think this is a problem restricted to one party, or one institution or one race for that matter you are sadly mistaken.ISLAMABAD- The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) ruled today that Pakistani laws prohibiting marriage of underage children are un-Islamic. At the end of its two-day session today, the CII said there is no minimum age of marriage according to Islam.
“Islam does not forbid marriage of young children,” the council said. “However, the consummation of marriage is only allowed when both husband and wife have reached puberty.”
March 2014.
“Islam does not forbid marriage of young children,” the council said. “However, the consummation of marriage is only allowed when both husband and wife have reached puberty.”
March 2014.
Guam said:
Heard her being interviewed on Radio 4 on the way in this morning.
Some of the people behind this coverup should face jail time imho, if we conspired to cover up crimes of this magnitude we could be assured of being sent down I reckon!
Very much agree with this statement!Some of the people behind this coverup should face jail time imho, if we conspired to cover up crimes of this magnitude we could be assured of being sent down I reckon!
One rule for them and another rule for us?
At the very least if a person failed in their job to this degree they would be sacked, perhaps more if negligence resulted in someone being harmed as a result.
Just Don't get it on any level.
Age at marriage
See also: Criticism of Muhammad (Aisha) and Child marriage
According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad and nine when the marriage was consummated.[6][7][8][9][13][20] For example, Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunnni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Alan-Snackbar to you all
See also: Criticism of Muhammad (Aisha) and Child marriage
According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad and nine when the marriage was consummated.[6][7][8][9][13][20] For example, Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunnni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Alan-Snackbar to you all
25NAD90TUL said:
Guam said:
Heard her being interviewed on Radio 4 on the way in this morning.
Some of the people behind this coverup should face jail time imho, if we conspired to cover up crimes of this magnitude we could be assured of being sent down I reckon!
Very much agree with this statement!Some of the people behind this coverup should face jail time imho, if we conspired to cover up crimes of this magnitude we could be assured of being sent down I reckon!
One rule for them and another rule for us?
At the very least if a person failed in their job to this degree they would be sacked, perhaps more if negligence resulted in someone being harmed as a result.
Just Don't get it on any level.
Then there was the bod in the wages office who fraudulently paid out about 3,000 pounds on the payroll. At least that was what we could prove. He went down even though first offence.
I would argue that the people who have personally turned blind eyes or more particularly encouraged or even bullied others to do the same need to suffer very severe consequences.
Furthermore if there has been, as suggested, shredding or deletion of emails then that should weigh against people in any sentencing.
I would particularly like to see that hatchet faced social services cow hung out to dry. Until people like this realise that there are genuine consequences they will just behave as if they are not accountable.
Edited by FiF on Tuesday 2nd September 18:10
'We're not complacement, this is a huge wake up call'
Better late than never eh plod?
And Kinky Boots going on about Dereliction of Duty when the Home Office didn't back up the Researcher that was raising this issue in 2002?
I think it'll take more than a rocket enema to sort these people out.
Better late than never eh plod?And Kinky Boots going on about Dereliction of Duty when the Home Office didn't back up the Researcher that was raising this issue in 2002?
I think it'll take more than a rocket enema to sort these people out.
Mermaid said:
What else do they need to be woken up about? Soft targets like the Ashya King had their undivided attention.
Anyone could think that it's Political Correctness gone mad.At least Cameron has uttered something about it so that makes the incarceration of the parents of Ashya King OK.
Mermaid said:
carinaman said:
Mermaid said:
What else do they need to be woken up about? Soft targets like the Ashya King had their undivided attention.
Anyone could think that it's Political Correctness gone mad.Agree - PC is unfair and wrong - should be illegal.
Twincharge said:
Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it. There was no commentary anywhere on how these crimes shine a light on British culture, or how middle-aged white men have to confront the deep flaws in their religious and ethnic identity.
I think you've wasted a lot of time typing a lengthy post which I think is rubbish from start to finish. I won't possibly have time to dissect your post, but let's just take this little piece up.The reason there was no commentary as you described is becausethwere is nothing to comment on. In British/European/western society sex with children is not tolerated and paedophilia is widely reviled. We know it still goes on but it has to do so underground, and there are not many levels of society where a person found to have sex with underage persons will not lose their jobs, friends, family and position in society. They will be reviled.
There is simply no ethnic aspect in white people having sex with children. There is no level or aspect of their society allowing, approving or condoning sex with children. If the minor is under 13 then it is Statutory rape in the UK, and other westerm countries have tighter laws than that.
I don't know about the case you've reffered to, so there may be a religious aspect to their crimes that I'm unaware of.
As far as I'm concerend under almost all religions vulnerable people fare less well than stronger people. We have seen this in western cultures in recent years, notably in Ireland under the catholic church. The abuses of children and women that took place up until very recently simply beggar belief, and I think we can be absolutely certain that exactly the same has taken place in countries such as Poland, where religious people have access into people's private lives that they never should have.
I truly beleive that I won't go to hell because it must be full - of religious people.
Religion is at the root of thses dreadful cases. Religion has kept societies such as many muslim societies (at the very least) behind by centuries. As the links being posted on this thread show, it is (like all) a religion based on utter mumbo-jumbo, but Islam is not compatible with modern, western societies imo.
In any case, religion and ethnicity should play no part in the investigation of criminals. If authorities don't treat everyone equal then they themselves are racists of the worst kind.
I hope this case runs and runs, and I hope the careers and reputations of many are brought crashing down, and continue to do so until we afford children and other vulnerable people protection from religious access.
(Sorry the spell-check's not working).
simes43 said:
ISLAMABAD- The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) ruled today that Pakistani laws prohibiting marriage of underage children are un-Islamic. At the end of its two-day session today, the CII said there is no minimum age of marriage according to Islam.
“Islam does not forbid marriage of young children,” the council said. “However, the consummation of marriage is only allowed when both husband and wife have reached puberty.”
March 2014.
It's great that the UK embraces and celebrates such diverse and vibrant cultures from all over the world.“Islam does not forbid marriage of young children,” the council said. “However, the consummation of marriage is only allowed when both husband and wife have reached puberty.”
March 2014.
supersingle said:
simes43 said:
ISLAMABAD- The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) ruled today that Pakistani laws prohibiting marriage of underage children are un-Islamic. At the end of its two-day session today, the CII said there is no minimum age of marriage according to Islam.
“Islam does not forbid marriage of young children,” the council said. “However, the consummation of marriage is only allowed when both husband and wife have reached puberty.”
March 2014.
It's great that the UK embraces and celebrates such diverse and vibrant cultures from all over the world.“Islam does not forbid marriage of young children,” the council said. “However, the consummation of marriage is only allowed when both husband and wife have reached puberty.”
March 2014.
andymc said:
The figures don't lie, there is a propensity of Pakistani males who are grooming white girls for sex
It's not just 'white' girls, here is one, and she might just be the tip of the iceberg. When it comes to paedophi1es, regardless of their race or religion, the modus operandi is usually the same. They will first pick on the easiest victims i.e. children of friends or family. Do you really think they have some sort of code of conduct e.g. we mustn't molest Muslim kids because they are forbidden, but white kids are fair game???? Just as a reminder the penalty under Shariah law for rape is death, regardless of the age or religion of the victim.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff