Improving shoulder strength?

[stackmonkey]

Advice needed on how to improve shoulder strength, please.
I currently do standing barbell press and lateral dumbell raises and seem to be stuck on 35kg (fixed weight barbell) and 10kg (per side) repectively.

A few years ago I had got up to 45kg on the press but bursitis saw to that and I've never recovered all my shoulder strength since.
Last night's workout is fairly typical.
All the barbell weights include the weight of the barbell.
1x12reps - 17.5kg
1x10reps - 22.5kg
1x8reps - 27.5kg
1x8reps - 30kg
1x8reps - 35kg

lateral raises
2x10reps - 8kg
2x8reps - 9kg
1x8reps - 10kg

anyo other exercises that any one can recommend? or a different regime?

Thanks.

[ApexJimi]

Higher weights, lower reps.

So, you'd be looking at a weight that is a high percentage of your one rep max, and go triples, doubles or even big singles - for multiple sets.

[goldblum]

Superset the lat raises 12kg,10kg,8kg, then 10kg,8kg,6kg then 8kg,6kg,4kg. Try and get 6-10 reps each time. On the last set the last two drops are done seated with your chest to the back of the bench, only slightly off straight. Make sure you wipeout front + rear delts first.

[smiffy180]

5x5 program or 5, 3, 1 program. Oh and eat big otherwise your wasting your time + what they said above /\/\

[stackmonkey]

Thanks.

[Asterix]

When do you do shoulder stuff, as a separate workout or after doing other stuff?

If other stuff, they tend to be used as stabilisers for quite a few other upper body exercises and can already be a bit fatigued from those.

[stackmonkey]

I usually do them after legs, but it rarely seems to make any difference.

[theshrew]

I used to do

Legs
Bi - back
Tri - Chest

I was always rushing about + my shoulders are rubbish so I decided to add another day in. Not been doing it long but seems ok so far.

Going to try a superset on them next week. See how that goes quite like doing them

[p1doc]

if sticking to barbell presses less reps more weight or change to dumbell presses as less irritation to shoulder joints
martin

[Hoofy]

p1doc said:

dumbell presses as less irritation to shoulder joints

That's interesting - why do you say this? Is it because you can adjust the angle in the horizontal plane? Certainly, I can't hold a db so that it "points" towards me - I have to have the hands slightly turned inwards otherwise I get either clicking or grinding!

[stackmonkey]

theshrew said:

I used to do

Legs
Bi - back
Tri - Chest

This is very much what I do.
Chest, triceps
legs, shoulders
back, biceps
abs get fitted whenever, usually at the end of each workout..