One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2
Discussion
WD39 said:
Conundrum: I was passenger in a friends car recently.As we approached a roundabout(two lanes),in the left lane(turn left and straight accross)was a lengthy queue and the right lane (turn right)was virtually empty.He took the right lane,went right round the roundabout,correctly indicating, and back to exit left.It certainly saved some time. But,was it strategic driving or Knobish?
He didn't cut anyone up or have to push in,in fact it was a smooth piece of driving.What do you think?
Goes against the British queueing instinct, thus guaranteed to annoy people.He didn't cut anyone up or have to push in,in fact it was a smooth piece of driving.What do you think?
Edited by Horse Pop on Monday 20th October 01:11
Horse Pop said:
WD39 said:
Conundrum: I was passenger in a friends car recently.As we approached a roundabout(two lanes),in the left lane(turn left and straight accross)was a lengthy queue and the right lane (turn right)was virtually empty.He took the right lane,went right round the roundabout,correctly indicating, and back to exit left.It certainly saved some time. But,was it strategic driving or Knobish?
He didn't cut anyone up or have to push in,in fact it was a smooth piece of driving.What do you think?
Goes against the British queueing instinct, thus guaranteed to annoy people.He didn't cut anyone up or have to push in,in fact it was a smooth piece of driving.What do you think?
Edited by Horse Pop on Monday 20th October 01:11
Blown2CV said:
With a larger roundabout you're less likely to have people tracking you round to see what you're doing. They're just looking right to watch for a gap. With smaller ones there might only be a couple of cars on it at once so people might be expecting you to leave at a particular exit and be surprised when you don't.
I thought we were on the same page but I guess we weren't. I never doubted your logic Mr.2CV Sir.This morning, go into roundabout and am exciting at -90 degrees ( ) onto NSL DC, as there's no one behind me and two slower cars in front, I immediately move to L2 to pass, then the 2nd car, white Fabia iirc, fair enough wants to pass the slower slow car in front, but doesn't indicate, doesn't check mirrors, I perfectly reasonably flash my lights to let him know I'm there, as he's just pulled out on me with about three car lengths of space and by this point a fair closing speed as I'd actually looked ahead going into the roundabout and carried some speed and also I'd appreciate if he can make it quick, he brake checks me.
Well excuse me. I don't know, maybe you thought you were in L2 first, but you weren't.
I wish I could say it made me angry or even surprised me
masermartin said:
OpulentBob said:
AstonZagato said:
I do that very occasionally, so I am going to say no. I think you do have to take extra care because the drivers in the lane you have just left will not expect you to do a 450deg turn.
270 degrees? WD39 said:
Conundrum: I was passenger in a friends car recently.As we approached a roundabout(two lanes),in the left lane(turn left and straight accross)was a lengthy queue and the right lane (turn right)was virtually empty.He took the right lane,went right round the roundabout,correctly indicating, and back to exit left.It certainly saved some time. But,was it strategic driving or Knobish?
He didn't cut anyone up or have to push in,in fact it was a smooth piece of driving.What do you think?
I used to do that all the time on one particular roundabout going from Poole to Bournemouth when I was an ASDA delivery driver in sixth form college.He didn't cut anyone up or have to push in,in fact it was a smooth piece of driving.What do you think?
Edited by vtecyo on Monday 20th October 10:26
OpulentBob said:
AstonZagato said:
I do that very occasionally, so I am going to say no. I think you do have to take extra care because the drivers in the lane you have just left will not expect you to do a 450deg turn.
270 degrees? Straight on = 180deg
Turn right = 270deg
One full circuit = 360deg
One full circuit plus a right turn = 450deg
To be fair, it is tempting to think of a one circuit as a 180deg. But it isn't.
The driver of a '51 plate V6 Phaeton just now. I was indicating to turn right into a side turn, out of which a van was waiting to emerge. Oncoming traffic on the priority road was preventing either of us from moving.
So. Some of the oncoming traffic passes, and the next car in line is a left turning Phaeton. I completely missed his hand gesture to 'go first', and given the potential for confusion with the van waiting to turn out, I'd probably have erred on the side of caution anyway. So up go his arms in a 'WTF?' gesture, and off he roars at well over 40 mph. Straight around the corner, only to get stuck behind two buses, neither of which could get into the bus stop properly for illegally parked cars.
He's a 'knob' for his reaction to my (understandable) reluctance to break with traditional priorities at his behest. The whole "boot it down the road" thing was ridiculous. The fact that he'd been willing to cede priority to me demonstrated that he wasn't in that much of a hurry. Then the getting stuck behind the buses was pure Karma. I'd say it was two minutes at least, with oncoming traffic mounting the curb to get past the buses.
I think I may have been a tiny bit of a 'knob' too. I flashed my headlights at him (repeatedly) to gain his attention, then smiled my best 'manic' ear-to-ear grin (repeatedly), and waved (repeatedly) and gave the double thumb-up (repeatedly) until he turned left at a mini roundabout which, ironically, could only lead him back 'around the block' to where he'd come from in the first place. Fun, though
So. Some of the oncoming traffic passes, and the next car in line is a left turning Phaeton. I completely missed his hand gesture to 'go first', and given the potential for confusion with the van waiting to turn out, I'd probably have erred on the side of caution anyway. So up go his arms in a 'WTF?' gesture, and off he roars at well over 40 mph. Straight around the corner, only to get stuck behind two buses, neither of which could get into the bus stop properly for illegally parked cars.
He's a 'knob' for his reaction to my (understandable) reluctance to break with traditional priorities at his behest. The whole "boot it down the road" thing was ridiculous. The fact that he'd been willing to cede priority to me demonstrated that he wasn't in that much of a hurry. Then the getting stuck behind the buses was pure Karma. I'd say it was two minutes at least, with oncoming traffic mounting the curb to get past the buses.
I think I may have been a tiny bit of a 'knob' too. I flashed my headlights at him (repeatedly) to gain his attention, then smiled my best 'manic' ear-to-ear grin (repeatedly), and waved (repeatedly) and gave the double thumb-up (repeatedly) until he turned left at a mini roundabout which, ironically, could only lead him back 'around the block' to where he'd come from in the first place. Fun, though
AstonZagato said:
Turn left = 90deg
Straight on = 180deg
Turn right = 270deg
One full circuit = 360deg
One full circuit plus a right turn = 450deg
To be fair, it is tempting to think of a one circuit as a 180deg. But it isn't.
But going straight on is a zero degree turn. Turning left is 90 degrees, or turning right is 90 degrees. Turning back on yourself is 180 degrees plus another 90 is 270.Straight on = 180deg
Turn right = 270deg
One full circuit = 360deg
One full circuit plus a right turn = 450deg
To be fair, it is tempting to think of a one circuit as a 180deg. But it isn't.
It's Pedantic Monday!
ETA you're driving through 450 degrees of the roundabout circulatory, but you're turning through 270 degrees. You're doing a 270 deg turn, but in order to do it you need to drive on 450 degrees of circular carriageway.
I've just sketched it on the board and asked an office full of highway engineers. They all say 270 degrees.
Edited by OpulentBob on Monday 20th October 13:14
OpulentBob said:
AstonZagato said:
Turn left = 90deg
Straight on = 180deg
Turn right = 270deg
One full circuit = 360deg
One full circuit plus a right turn = 450deg
To be fair, it is tempting to think of a one circuit as a 180deg. But it isn't.
But going straight on is a zero degree turn. Turning left is 90 degrees, or turning right is 90 degrees. Turning back on yourself is 180 degrees plus another 90 is 270.Straight on = 180deg
Turn right = 270deg
One full circuit = 360deg
One full circuit plus a right turn = 450deg
To be fair, it is tempting to think of a one circuit as a 180deg. But it isn't.
It's Pedantic Monday!
ETA you're driving through 450 degrees of the roundabout circulatory, but you're turning through 270 degrees. You're doing a 270 deg turn, but in order to do it you need to drive on 450 degrees of circular carriageway.
I've just sketched it on the board and asked an office full of highway engineers. They all say 270 degrees.
Edited by OpulentBob on Monday 20th October 13:14
AW111 said:
90 degree left turn onto roundabout.
360 degree right turn all around the roundabout back to where you entered.
Another 90 degrees right to the next exit.
90 degrees left to exit.
So 90L, 450R, 90L.
Which could be construed as a net 270 R.
AAAAAAARGH!! 360 degree right turn all around the roundabout back to where you entered.
Another 90 degrees right to the next exit.
90 degrees left to exit.
So 90L, 450R, 90L.
Which could be construed as a net 270 R.
Wish I'd never said anything now...
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