Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend
Discussion
La Liga said:
f you want a more general look at human behaviour and the best ways to reduce re-offending, then you only need to look at basic criminology to see that removing the underlying causes is much more effective than the systems we have now.
This.I remember doing a piece of work for my degree and it stuck in my mind that the prison population then was c44K. It's now roughly double that.
Apropos of nothing 2012-13 cost per prisoner was C35k pa.
burwoodman said:
LL, I was addressing photo when i pointed out the Norway comparison, I should have been clearer cheers
No problem. Part of the justice system is "seeing justice to be done". If a victim receives closure from seeing someone go to prison for quite sometime then that shouldn't be ignored. That's all fair enough and he is in prison so that is something. I suspect the main reason so many people are emotive is because they feel he did a lot more than just make a terrible mistake. He got away with murder (im not dragging it up again). This notwithstanding, the trial was a circus. Even during her summing up the judge said ' you intended to shoot' (why not foresee death? (that's rhetorical) and 'if you had said you thought it a wild animal you would not have been convicted'. Talk about giving idiots ideas. A second floor window-wild animal. I'm aware some nasty monkeys like baboons can rip you a new one but whether that is even possible given locale. I just find some of the things accepted/said being a very long stretch. I feel every possible grace and favour was afforded OP by the court. That's my opinion
Oh and the fact that he will no doubt profit from the experience also grates.
With the burden of proof being 'beyond reasonable doubt' and having an Oxford prof putting a number on that at 'over 95%' it is easier to see how so many walk when the evidence is so damning.
Oh and the fact that he will no doubt profit from the experience also grates.
With the burden of proof being 'beyond reasonable doubt' and having an Oxford prof putting a number on that at 'over 95%' it is easier to see how so many walk when the evidence is so damning.
weyland yutani said:
Shocking verdict and lenient sentence, I can't see how justice has been served, even if the victims family are satisfied. No doubt Pistorius will profit from all this with some vomit inducing Oprah style interview in a few years too - scumbag.
Dewani is on to the game - plenty of tearshttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shrien-dew...
Mermaid said:
weyland yutani said:
Shocking verdict and lenient sentence, I can't see how justice has been served, even if the victims family are satisfied. No doubt Pistorius will profit from all this with some vomit inducing Oprah style interview in a few years too - scumbag.
Dewani is on to the game - plenty of tearshttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shrien-dew...
Chief prosecutor Gerrie Nel has talked to Prof. James Grant, a criminal law specialist at Johannesburg's University of the Witwatersrand, prosecution spokesman Nathi Mncube confirmed to The Associated Press.
"We are busy. We are considering appealing," Mncube said.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pist...
"We are busy. We are considering appealing," Mncube said.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pist...
Steenkamp mother: 'Arrogant Pistorius was sure to kill'
BBC said:
It was bad luck Reeva Steenkamp met Oscar Pistorius, her mother has said, as the "volatile" athlete "would have killed someone sooner or later".
Speaking to The Times, June Steenkamp calls Pistorius "pathetic", "moody", "gun-toting" and "possessive".
She rejects both his apology and his version of events, but admits: "He's the only one who knows the truth."
Pistorius is serving five years for the culpable homicide of girlfriend Reeva. He could be out in 10 months.
The South African athlete was cleared of murder.
'About to leave'
June Steenkamp told The Times, which is serialising her book, Reeva: A Mother's Story, which is to be published on 6 November, that Reeva had told her the couple had not yet entered a sexual relationship and had "nagging doubts about their compatibility".
She says: "She had confided to me that she hadn't slept with him. They'd shared a bed, but she was scared to take the relationship to that level.
"She wouldn't want to sleep with Oscar if she wasn't sure. I believe their relationship was coming to an end. In her heart of hearts, she didn't think it was making either of them happy."
Ms Steenkamp, 68, who did not testify at the trial, says this may have played a part in what happened on the night of the shooting, Valentine's Day last year.
She rejects his version of events, that there was no row and that he had thought there was an intruder in the toilet cubicle when he fired four shots through the door "without thinking".
"There is no doubt in our minds that something went horribly wrong, something upset her so terribly that she hid behind a locked door with two mobile phones," June writes.
Other words she uses to describe Pistorius are "arrogant", "moody", "combustible", "trigger-happy", "vague", "evasive" and "shifty".
She believes Reeva, 29, was about to leave Pistorius, 27.
She says: "Her clothes were packed. There is no doubt in our minds: she had decided to leave Oscar that night."
In the excerpt of the book serialised in the paper, Ms Steenkamp refers to Pistorius's apology to them in court.
"Why decide to say sorry to me in a televised trial in front of the whole world? I was unmoved by his apology.
"I felt if I appeared to be sorry for him at this stage of his trial on the charge of premeditated murder, it would in the eyes of others lessen the awfulness of what he had done. He was in the box trying to save his own skin."
Full article--> ClickySpeaking to The Times, June Steenkamp calls Pistorius "pathetic", "moody", "gun-toting" and "possessive".
She rejects both his apology and his version of events, but admits: "He's the only one who knows the truth."
Pistorius is serving five years for the culpable homicide of girlfriend Reeva. He could be out in 10 months.
The South African athlete was cleared of murder.
'About to leave'
June Steenkamp told The Times, which is serialising her book, Reeva: A Mother's Story, which is to be published on 6 November, that Reeva had told her the couple had not yet entered a sexual relationship and had "nagging doubts about their compatibility".
She says: "She had confided to me that she hadn't slept with him. They'd shared a bed, but she was scared to take the relationship to that level.
"She wouldn't want to sleep with Oscar if she wasn't sure. I believe their relationship was coming to an end. In her heart of hearts, she didn't think it was making either of them happy."
Ms Steenkamp, 68, who did not testify at the trial, says this may have played a part in what happened on the night of the shooting, Valentine's Day last year.
She rejects his version of events, that there was no row and that he had thought there was an intruder in the toilet cubicle when he fired four shots through the door "without thinking".
"There is no doubt in our minds that something went horribly wrong, something upset her so terribly that she hid behind a locked door with two mobile phones," June writes.
Other words she uses to describe Pistorius are "arrogant", "moody", "combustible", "trigger-happy", "vague", "evasive" and "shifty".
She believes Reeva, 29, was about to leave Pistorius, 27.
She says: "Her clothes were packed. There is no doubt in our minds: she had decided to leave Oscar that night."
In the excerpt of the book serialised in the paper, Ms Steenkamp refers to Pistorius's apology to them in court.
"Why decide to say sorry to me in a televised trial in front of the whole world? I was unmoved by his apology.
"I felt if I appeared to be sorry for him at this stage of his trial on the charge of premeditated murder, it would in the eyes of others lessen the awfulness of what he had done. He was in the box trying to save his own skin."
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Who knows - maybe she said he wouldn't be getting his little stump wet...
JuniorD said:
Perhaps Pistorious thought valentines night was the night he'd consummate the relationship but as that so wasn't happening he flipped out and did what he did.
He probably couldn't accept the Great oscar pistorius was being rejected and he felt mad he wasn't getting what he wanted.Who knows - maybe she said he wouldn't be getting his little stump wet...
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