Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
FiF said:
You know all those street lights that were turned off and dimmed to reduce emissions.
Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
Fewer people alive means less Co2 produced. Must be a win win for the Govt then....Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
Jasandjules said:
FiF said:
You know all those street lights that were turned off and dimmed to reduce emissions.
Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
Fewer people alive means less Co2 produced. Must be a win win for the Govt then....Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
FiF said:
You know all those street lights that were turned off and dimmed to reduce emissions.
Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
This might be it.Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
Philip Pank, Transport Correspondent and The Times Data Team
Last updated at 12:01AM, April 20 2014
Road casualties in areas where street lights have been turned off have risen by 20 per cent in
four years, raising fears that cost-cutting and carbon emissions targets are claiming lives.
Research by The Times has found that 324 more people were killed or seriously injured in crashes
at night on roads where street lights were unlit in 2011-12 than in 2009-10.
If so, it's KSI.
turbobloke said:
FiF said:
You know all those street lights that were turned off and dimmed to reduce emissions.
Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
This might be it.Not seen the data yet but it looks as if deaths and serious injuries on those roads have gone up.
Over 300 deaths is the increased figure I have heard.
Has anyone got a link to the reports?
Philip Pank, Transport Correspondent and The Times Data Team
Last updated at 12:01AM, April 20 2014
Road casualties in areas where street lights have been turned off have risen by 20 per cent in
four years, raising fears that cost-cutting and carbon emissions targets are claiming lives.
Research by The Times has found that 324 more people were killed or seriously injured in crashes
at night on roads where street lights were unlit in 2011-12 than in 2009-10.
If so, it's KSI.
turbobloke said:
This might be it.
If so, it's KSI.
Where is the causality?
Philip Pank, Transport Correspondent and The Times Data Team
Last updated at 12:01AM, April 20 2014
Road casualties in areas where street lights have been turned off have risen by 20 per cent in
four years, raising fears that cost-cutting and carbon emissions targets are claiming lives.
Research by The Times has found that 324 more people were killed or seriously injured in crashes
at night on roads where street lights were unlit in 2011-12 than in 2009-10.
If so, it's KSI.
TwoLeadFeet said:
turbobloke said:
This might be it.
If so, it's KSI.
Where is the causality?
Philip Pank, Transport Correspondent and The Times Data Team
Last updated at 12:01AM, April 20 2014
Road casualties in areas where street lights have been turned off have risen by 20 per cent in
four years, raising fears that cost-cutting and carbon emissions targets are claiming lives.
Research by The Times has found that 324 more people were killed or seriously injured in crashes
at night on roads where street lights were unlit in 2011-12 than in 2009-10.
If so, it's KSI.
BTW iirc it was FiF who asked if anyone knew the source of some information, I thought I knew and replied, but citing a piece of work doesn't imply support for it.
For example the KSI element is also malleable, if you get my drift, and I thought it worth indicating that the 300 number referred to KSI not fatals.
Happy Earth Day To Earthlings
It is very frustrating that after 25 years of the anti-pessimists being proven entirely right, and the doomsayers being proven entirely wrong, their credibility and influence waxes ever greater. That’s the bad news. The good news is that there is every scientific reason to be joyful about the trends in the condition of the Earth, and hopeful for humanity’s future, even if we are falsely told the outlook is grim. So Happy Earth Day.
Julian Simon, 01 May 1995
In the past 50 years, world per capita income roughly trebled in real terms, corrected for inflation. If it continues at this rate (and globally the great recession of recent years was a mere blip) then it will be nine times as high in 2100 as it was in 2000, at which point the average person in the world will be earning three times as much as the average Briton earns today. I make this point partly to cheer you up on Easter Monday about the prospects for your great-grandchildren, partly to start thinking about what that world will be like if it were to happen, and partly to challenge those who say with confidence that the future will be calamitous because of climate change or environmental degradation. The curious thing is that they only predict disaster by assuming great enrichment. But perversely, the more enrichment they predict, the greater the chance (they also predict) that we will solve our environmental problems.
Matt Ridley, The Times, 21 April 2014
First, get it right when it comes to identifying what the real problems are...Matt R does, which is possibly not so clear in the above.
It is very frustrating that after 25 years of the anti-pessimists being proven entirely right, and the doomsayers being proven entirely wrong, their credibility and influence waxes ever greater. That’s the bad news. The good news is that there is every scientific reason to be joyful about the trends in the condition of the Earth, and hopeful for humanity’s future, even if we are falsely told the outlook is grim. So Happy Earth Day.
Julian Simon, 01 May 1995
In the past 50 years, world per capita income roughly trebled in real terms, corrected for inflation. If it continues at this rate (and globally the great recession of recent years was a mere blip) then it will be nine times as high in 2100 as it was in 2000, at which point the average person in the world will be earning three times as much as the average Briton earns today. I make this point partly to cheer you up on Easter Monday about the prospects for your great-grandchildren, partly to start thinking about what that world will be like if it were to happen, and partly to challenge those who say with confidence that the future will be calamitous because of climate change or environmental degradation. The curious thing is that they only predict disaster by assuming great enrichment. But perversely, the more enrichment they predict, the greater the chance (they also predict) that we will solve our environmental problems.
Matt Ridley, The Times, 21 April 2014
First, get it right when it comes to identifying what the real problems are...Matt R does, which is possibly not so clear in the above.
SkepticSteve said:
mybrainhurts said:
That really was worth watching and indeed saving to show others.Thanks for the link.
TX.
More "weirding", Germans being funny.
The church of global warming....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e2U2cYcPro#t=171
The church of global warming....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e2U2cYcPro#t=171
Kawasicki said:
More "weirding", Germans being funny.
The church of global warming....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e2U2cYcPro#t=171
Wow, didn't think I'd ever see the German media go against the watermelons The church of global warming....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e2U2cYcPro#t=171
First the Germans, now the BBC. What's going on, has the Beeb sold its pension schemes investments in the global warming industry?
I refer to Radio 4 news this morning, in which Ed Parrot Davey was given a (bit of) a grilling over the award of new contracts for wind and biomass that are going to increase our bills by 2%.
Then there was the Radio 4 programme on Monday 21 April called Start The Week, in which George Monbiot was pitched against James Lovelock and Joanna Haigh. Moonbat was being ever-so-polite and doing his usual condescending job, although even he seemed to be bending his position somewhat. Whilst listening and thinking this is one of those mental does-not-compute moments, his subliminal I am right message came through loud and clear. Having said that, his discomfort, frustration and annoyance were palpable.
Which was nice...
I missed the last half hour of the programme, so I'm going to listen again here. It's well worth listening, purely for the pleasure of hearing Moonbat squirming and in obvious pain and distress. I imagine he's taken the BBC Director General to task by now for allowing dissent to penetrate the Great Chamber Of Bias.
So, what's going on at the Beeb? Is this a change of direction, or a couple of loose cannons slipping past the censor?
I refer to Radio 4 news this morning, in which Ed Parrot Davey was given a (bit of) a grilling over the award of new contracts for wind and biomass that are going to increase our bills by 2%.
Then there was the Radio 4 programme on Monday 21 April called Start The Week, in which George Monbiot was pitched against James Lovelock and Joanna Haigh. Moonbat was being ever-so-polite and doing his usual condescending job, although even he seemed to be bending his position somewhat. Whilst listening and thinking this is one of those mental does-not-compute moments, his subliminal I am right message came through loud and clear. Having said that, his discomfort, frustration and annoyance were palpable.
Which was nice...
I missed the last half hour of the programme, so I'm going to listen again here. It's well worth listening, purely for the pleasure of hearing Moonbat squirming and in obvious pain and distress. I imagine he's taken the BBC Director General to task by now for allowing dissent to penetrate the Great Chamber Of Bias.
So, what's going on at the Beeb? Is this a change of direction, or a couple of loose cannons slipping past the censor?
mybrainhurts said:
First the Germans, now the BBC. What's going on, has the Beeb sold its pension schemes investments in the global warming industry?
I refer to Radio 4 news this morning, in which Ed Parrot Davey was given a (bit of) a grilling over the award of new contracts for wind and biomass that are going to increase our bills by 2%.
Then there was the Radio 4 programme on Monday 21 April called Start The Week, in which George Monbiot was pitched against James Lovelock and Joanna Haigh. Moonbat was being ever-so-polite and doing his usual condescending job, although even he seemed to be bending his position somewhat. Whilst listening and thinking this is one of those mental does-not-compute moments, his subliminal I am right message came through loud and clear. Having said that, his discomfort, frustration and annoyance were palpable.
Which was nice...
I missed the last half hour of the programme, so I'm going to listen again here. It's well worth listening, purely for the pleasure of hearing Moonbat squirming and in obvious pain and distress. I imagine he's taken the BBC Director General to task by now for allowing dissent to penetrate the Great Chamber Of Bias.
So, what's going on at the Beeb? Is this a change of direction, or a couple of loose cannons slipping past the censor?
My thoughts are that they are starting to get a hard time over a lot of things, people are starting to call for change in the BBC, bias over climate change being is just one area, the call for change is causing them to change direction in the hope that calls for radical change go away.I refer to Radio 4 news this morning, in which Ed Parrot Davey was given a (bit of) a grilling over the award of new contracts for wind and biomass that are going to increase our bills by 2%.
Then there was the Radio 4 programme on Monday 21 April called Start The Week, in which George Monbiot was pitched against James Lovelock and Joanna Haigh. Moonbat was being ever-so-polite and doing his usual condescending job, although even he seemed to be bending his position somewhat. Whilst listening and thinking this is one of those mental does-not-compute moments, his subliminal I am right message came through loud and clear. Having said that, his discomfort, frustration and annoyance were palpable.
Which was nice...
I missed the last half hour of the programme, so I'm going to listen again here. It's well worth listening, purely for the pleasure of hearing Moonbat squirming and in obvious pain and distress. I imagine he's taken the BBC Director General to task by now for allowing dissent to penetrate the Great Chamber Of Bias.
So, what's going on at the Beeb? Is this a change of direction, or a couple of loose cannons slipping past the censor?
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