Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
Blib said:
Maybe Trenberth was referring to the not quite so deep as very deep, but still awfully deep nevertheless, deep oceans?
Gotcha, the middly deepy sort of deep oceans 
which are thermally mysterious, just like the hidden heat and not forgetting the very mysterious missing sink 
hopefully it's a Butler 
in a Truss 
turbobloke said:
Two ocean scientists, one from Harvard and the other from MIT (Wunsch and Heimbach, 2014) have looked at data limitations that currently prevent the resolution of different estimates of changing ocean heat content, and as a by-product of that analysis they determined that the deepest oceans are cooling. Yet the deep oceans ate Trenberth's global warming. Elizabeth Truss will be on the case already.
Ah, this is because "Warming" means getting cooler in "we need some more tax money" land...hidetheelephants said:
turbobloke said:
Gotcha, the middly deepy sort of deep oceans which are thermally mysterious, just like the hidden heat and not forgetting the very mysterious missing sink hopefully it's a Butler in a Truss
Perhaps the warm layer is mildly deep? Shallow deep? Mediocre depth! which are thermally mysterious, just like the hidden heat and not forgetting the very mysterious missing sink hopefully it's a Butler in a Truss 
and for some reason I'm reminded of this:Sean Thomas said:
First, I asked Stephen Belcher, the head of the Met Office Hadley Centre, whether the recent extended winter was related to global warming. Shaking his famous “ghost stick”, and fingering his trademark necklace of sharks’ teeth and mammoth bones, the loin-clothed Belcher blew smoke into a conch, and replied,
“Here come de heap big warmy. Bigtime warmy warmy. Is big big hot. Plenty big warm burny hot. Hot! Hot hot! But now not hot. Not hot now. De hot come go, come go. Now Is Coldy Coldy. Is ice. Hot den cold. Frreeeezy ice til hot again. Den de rain. It faaaalllll. Make pasty.”
Startled by this sobering analysis, I moved on to Professor Rowan Sutton, Climate Director of NCAS at the University of Reading. Professor Sutton said that many scientists are, as of this moment, examining the complex patterns in the North Atlantic, and trying to work out whether the current run of inclement European winters will persist.
When pressed on the particular outlook for the British Isles. Professor Sutton shook his head, moaned eerily unto the heavens, and stuffed his fingers into the entrails of a recently disembowelled chicken, bought fresh from Waitrose in Teignmouth.
Hurling the still-beating heart of the chicken into a shallow copper salver, Professor Sutton inhaled the aroma of burning incense, then told the Telegraph: “The seven towers of Agamemnon tremble. Much is the discord in the latitude of Gemini. When, when cry the sirens of doom and love. Speckly showers on Tuesday.”
It’s a pretty stark analysis, and not without merit. There are plenty of climate change scientists who are equally forthright on the possibilities of change, or no change, and of more hot, or less hot, or of rain, or no rain, or of Britain turning into the Sahara by next weekend, or instead becoming a freezing cold Frostyworld ruled by a strange, glistening ice-queen – crucially, it all depends on the time of day you ask them, and whether or not they had asparagus the day before.
So who are we to believe? For a final word, I turned to the greatest climate change scientist of all, Dr David Viner, one-time senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, who predicted in 2000 that, within a few years, winter snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event".
However, he was trapped under a glacier in Stockport, so was unable to comment at the time the Telegraph went to press.
“Here come de heap big warmy. Bigtime warmy warmy. Is big big hot. Plenty big warm burny hot. Hot! Hot hot! But now not hot. Not hot now. De hot come go, come go. Now Is Coldy Coldy. Is ice. Hot den cold. Frreeeezy ice til hot again. Den de rain. It faaaalllll. Make pasty.”
Startled by this sobering analysis, I moved on to Professor Rowan Sutton, Climate Director of NCAS at the University of Reading. Professor Sutton said that many scientists are, as of this moment, examining the complex patterns in the North Atlantic, and trying to work out whether the current run of inclement European winters will persist.
When pressed on the particular outlook for the British Isles. Professor Sutton shook his head, moaned eerily unto the heavens, and stuffed his fingers into the entrails of a recently disembowelled chicken, bought fresh from Waitrose in Teignmouth.
Hurling the still-beating heart of the chicken into a shallow copper salver, Professor Sutton inhaled the aroma of burning incense, then told the Telegraph: “The seven towers of Agamemnon tremble. Much is the discord in the latitude of Gemini. When, when cry the sirens of doom and love. Speckly showers on Tuesday.”
It’s a pretty stark analysis, and not without merit. There are plenty of climate change scientists who are equally forthright on the possibilities of change, or no change, and of more hot, or less hot, or of rain, or no rain, or of Britain turning into the Sahara by next weekend, or instead becoming a freezing cold Frostyworld ruled by a strange, glistening ice-queen – crucially, it all depends on the time of day you ask them, and whether or not they had asparagus the day before.
So who are we to believe? For a final word, I turned to the greatest climate change scientist of all, Dr David Viner, one-time senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, who predicted in 2000 that, within a few years, winter snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event".
However, he was trapped under a glacier in Stockport, so was unable to comment at the time the Telegraph went to press.
ks. Apparently in a few decades all the carbon captured by the trees will be back in the atmosphere. Cock off.
Will make a change.
Meanwhile
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-environmenta....html
Meanwhile
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-environmenta....html
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 23 July 22:52
Oops, seems the anti-fracking shills got caught out, check the comments particularly luke ashley, ragamala and nickptn:
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/community/c...
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/business/appeal-for-frac...
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/community/c...
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/business/appeal-for-frac...
Pesty said:
Will make a change.
Meanwhile 130 environmental groups call for end to capitalism.
It's not about the environment it's just self hating guilt ridden illiberals wanting to give all our money away
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-environmenta....html
If they hate money that much I selflessly volunteer to burn it all for them; I accept paypal.Meanwhile 130 environmental groups call for end to capitalism.
It's not about the environment it's just self hating guilt ridden illiberals wanting to give all our money away
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-environmenta....html
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/7/23/g...
Nutters....
Worse than previously thought.
It must be time to put HRH out to grass.
Nutters....
Worse than previously thought.
It must be time to put HRH out to grass.
Seal pups born smaller and fewer because of 0.06 deg/decade global warming or climate change. Square root FA.
That was the headline on the BBC. Actual story is that they have less krill to eat but no explanation as to why there is less krill. They then swiftly moved on. One bets that the link was somewhat tenuous.
That was the headline on the BBC. Actual story is that they have less krill to eat but no explanation as to why there is less krill. They then swiftly moved on. One bets that the link was somewhat tenuous.
Call me an old cynic. But, it seems that the perfect way to get funding for research in today's cash strapped times is to link whatever you wish to study with Climate Change.
These are exciting times for researchers. All those millennia when climate never changed and they just happen to live in an era when it does. Who'd've thunk it?
These are exciting times for researchers. All those millennia when climate never changed and they just happen to live in an era when it does. Who'd've thunk it?
Otispunkmeyer said:
Seal pups born smaller and fewer because of 0.06 deg/decade global warming or climate change. Square root FA.
That was the headline on the BBC. Actual story is that they have less krill to eat but no explanation as to why there is less krill. They then swiftly moved on. One bets that the link was somewhat tenuous.
Odd then that the seal colony at Donna Nook, Lincolnshire, one of the UK's largest, has seen yearly increases in the number of pups born and very low mortality of around 5%. Over 1400 pups last year IIRC.That was the headline on the BBC. Actual story is that they have less krill to eat but no explanation as to why there is less krill. They then swiftly moved on. One bets that the link was somewhat tenuous.
Pesty said:
Headline said:
130 Environmental Groups Call For An End To Capitalism
True colours showing, as though we didn't know.
wc98 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2824...
surely someone will tell them.
They forgot to mention whether or not Wrong Way Flanagan would be acrting as a consultant to the expedition.surely someone will tell them.
mybrainhurts said:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/7/23/g...
Nutters....
Worse than previously thought.
It must be time to put HRH out to grass.
He wouldn't like the competition (for the grass) it'd be far too much like capitalism.Nutters....
Worse than previously thought.
It must be time to put HRH out to grass.
Edited to replace dodgy link.
Edited by turbobloke on Thursday 24th July 11:32
wrong way flanagan ,pmsl.
looks like it could be all over http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL0...
from the hockey schtick http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2014/07/new-paper...
who would have thought increasing the amount of radiative gasses in the atmosphere would result in more energy being radiated to space .this really could be a game changer,a nice explanation for trenberth,s missing heat,it is not missing after all,it just buggered off back where it came from.
looks like it could be all over http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL0...
from the hockey schtick http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2014/07/new-paper...
who would have thought increasing the amount of radiative gasses in the atmosphere would result in more energy being radiated to space .this really could be a game changer,a nice explanation for trenberth,s missing heat,it is not missing after all,it just buggered off back where it came from.
wc98 said:
wrong way flanagan ,pmsl.
looks like it could be all over http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL0...
from the hockey schtick http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2014/07/new-paper...
who would have thought increasing the amount of radiative gasses in the atmosphere would result in more energy being radiated to space .this really could be a game changer,a nice explanation for trenberth,s missing heat,it is not missing after all,it just buggered off back where it came from.
Thanks for the links, very interesting indeed.looks like it could be all over http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL0...
from the hockey schtick http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2014/07/new-paper...
who would have thought increasing the amount of radiative gasses in the atmosphere would result in more energy being radiated to space .this really could be a game changer,a nice explanation for trenberth,s missing heat,it is not missing after all,it just buggered off back where it came from.
After the Spencer Braswell resignation we can surely expect another Journal editor to go not-so-quietly after falling on their thermometer in the nearest greenhouse. Even Truss will be in a tizz.
Seriously - junkscience once again shown to be junk, whodathunkit!
Otispunkmeyer said:
Seal pups born smaller and fewer because of 0.06 deg/decade global warming or climate change. Square root FA.
That was the headline on the BBC. Actual story is that they have less krill to eat but no explanation as to why there is less krill. They then swiftly moved on. One bets that the link was somewhat tenuous.
I read the full article a day or two ago, the krill feeds under the ice, they stated the ice in that particular area of Antarctica is declining, hence lack of krill.That was the headline on the BBC. Actual story is that they have less krill to eat but no explanation as to why there is less krill. They then swiftly moved on. One bets that the link was somewhat tenuous.
This they said is down to effects of the natural 'Southern Annular Mode', but of course it is more 'positive' [because of climate change] than it has ever ever been in the history of infinity which they have miraculously conjured up from proxies or something.
wc98 said:
There could be a thinfourth2/TB paper showing that global warming is pooh because the heat is not pooh. All we need is a grant and a surviving Journal editor who will get the paper refereed by scatologists, which in climate circles should be mainstream.From a PH thread back in November 2011.
turbobloke said:
thinfourth2 said:
Its like bird pooh making a London heavier. No sane person could argue that bird pooh doesn't make london heavier. You couldn't measure the bird pooh makes london heavier effect due to many other factors.
However the media and intrested parties are saying that bird pooh is gong to cause london to become a super dense blackhole that will sink to the center of the earth and destory all life in the solar system.
Except that in the case of energy not pooh the energy can escape and does so, it goes off into space.However the media and intrested parties are saying that bird pooh is gong to cause london to become a super dense blackhole that will sink to the center of the earth and destory all life in the solar system.
Further back in 2009 I said:
...the data shows that an already warm atmosphere has more degrees of freedom that models allow, permitting heat energy to escape to space faster than models allow...
There should be a No Bell Prize in it as well, ding dong 
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