Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

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mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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That's another name on my list...hehe

LongQ

13,864 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Seems the University of Reading has found another way into the trough.

http://www.itproportal.com/2014/10/17/multi-millio...

That said they seem to be touting a lot of anticipated results from a budget much lower than might be expected. Presumably they are looking around for the right "on message" management at the moment, after which all will be well. Presumably.

turbobloke

103,911 posts

260 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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FYI from FoIA:

A typical Euro III double decker bus with a diesel particulate filter produces 1384.3 grammes per kilometre.

A typical hybrid double decker bus emits 951.6 grammes per kilometre.

Average passengering is 9.2 per km.

Not from FoIA, the cost of a hybrid bus is ca £350k and a hydrogen bus ca £1m.

turbobloke

103,911 posts

260 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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New Paper Refutes Walrus-Climate Scare, Walrus Haulouts Are Nothing New

A briefing paper published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation refutes claims that Arctic walruses are in distress and danger due to global warming.

The paper, written by Canadian zoologist Dr Susan Crockford, assesses the recent mass haulouts of walrus females and calves on the beaches of Alaska and Russia bordering the Chukchi Sea. The events have been blamed by US government biologists and WWF activists on lack of summer sea ice, amplified into alarming scare stories by news media around the world.

Such claims ignore previous haulouts that suggest a different cause. Scientific reports about large walrus haulouts that have occurred repeatedly over the last 45 years show that they are not new phenomena for this region.

At least two documented incidents of similar magnitude have occurred in the recent past: one in 1978, on eastern St. Lawrence Island and the other in 1972, on the western end of Wrangel Island. The 1978 event involved an estimated total of almost 150,000 walrus hauled out within in a small geographic area.

Moreover, sea ice maps for the months when known mass haulouts occurred, compared to years when they did not, suggest no strong correlation with low sea ice levels.

“The WWF and American walrus biologists have categorically linked the Point Lay mass haulout event to global warming, but available evidence suggests that’s alarmist nonsense,” Dr Crockford said.

“Blaming lack of sea ice for recent events ignores the documented factor – large population size – that drove walruses onto beaches en masse in the past, when plenty of ice was available.

Conservation measures have almost certainly led to a spectacular recovery of walrus numbers over the last few years. This suggests that recent mass haulouts are more an indicator that Chukchi walrus are nearing maximum capacity than a sign of impending global warming catastrophe,” Dr Crockford added.

Contacts
Dr Susan Crockford
email@redacted

Dr Benny Peiser
Director, The Global Warming Policy Foundation
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GWPF, London, 20 October 2014

Silver Smudger

3,299 posts

167 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
Looks pretty bad. Now all we need is an arctic vortex; ...
Reporter chosen to write up a fire in a power station? Hannah Furness laugh

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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turbobloke said:
FYI from FoIA:

A typical Euro III double decker bus with a diesel particulate filter produces 1384.3 grammes per kilometre.

A typical hybrid double decker bus emits 951.6 grammes per kilometre.

Average passengering is 9.2 per km.

Not from FoIA, the cost of a hybrid bus is ca £350k and a hydrogen bus ca £1m.
Every little helps....rofl



mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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turbobloke said:
New Paper Refutes Walrus-Climate Scare, Walrus Haulouts Are Nothing New

A briefing paper published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation refutes claims that Arctic walruses are in distress and danger due to global warming.

The paper, written by Canadian zoologist Dr Susan Crockford, assesses the recent mass haulouts of walrus females and calves on the beaches of Alaska and Russia bordering the Chukchi Sea. The events have been blamed by US government biologists and WWF activists on lack of summer sea ice.
Thought the Arctic had just experienced record summer sea ice, or did I dream that?

turbobloke

103,911 posts

260 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
New Paper Refutes Walrus-Climate Scare, Walrus Haulouts Are Nothing New

A briefing paper published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation refutes claims that Arctic walruses are in distress and danger due to global warming.

The paper, written by Canadian zoologist Dr Susan Crockford, assesses the recent mass haulouts of walrus females and calves on the beaches of Alaska and Russia bordering the Chukchi Sea. The events have been blamed by US government biologists and WWF activists on lack of summer sea ice.
Thought the Arctic had just experienced record summer sea ice, or did I dream that?
According to reports, some sneaky beaky showed the Walruses a print-out from IPCC computer climate models and after that, the data didn't matter. Happens all the time.

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

247 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Chaps, never mind the walruses! Has anyone got a quick link for info on the various UK tax breaks/subsidies available across the whole range of electricity generation? Does gas get a better deal than solar or coal for example?

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Thought the Arctic had just experienced record summer sea ice, or did I dream that?
Other end of the world. Arctic has been pretty much the same as last year, i.e. below recent decadal averages, but up on the record minimum in 2012 (or whenever).

Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Silver Smudger said:
hidetheelephants said:
Looks pretty bad. Now all we need is an arctic vortex; ...
Reporter chosen to write up a fire in a power station? Hannah Furness laugh
laugh

LongQ

13,864 posts

233 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Very little helps....rofl
Fixed the typo for you.

don4l

10,058 posts

176 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Mr GrimNasty said:
mybrainhurts said:
Thought the Arctic had just experienced record summer sea ice, or did I dream that?
Other end of the world. Arctic has been pretty much the same as last year, i.e. below recent decadal averages, but up on the record minimum in 2012 (or whenever).
Absolutely correct. It's up from 2.7m sq Km in 2012 to 5m this summer. A superb recovery that looks set to continue.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/Sea_Ice...

Edited by don4l on Monday 20th October 17:52

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Scientifically speaking, that comment is as bad as referring to the 'pause'!

The trend is still very much downward. Will the trend become a stabilisation or an increase - nobody knows, it'll do what it'll do.

NWTony

2,849 posts

228 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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I suspect the trend will establish itself again when it appears to be moving the way the believers want it to, until theen it will remain an anomoly.

The Don of Croy

5,993 posts

159 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Just glancing at the BM Reports monitor - wind at just shy of 6gW on a windy day (stormageddon not quite upon us at 09:00).

Am I right that figure is about 50% 'installed capacity'? On a windy day (across the whole UK so presumably better chance of more contribution)...

Still more than nuclear, this morning at least. Filthy coal and gas keeping us warm and pumping our water still.

nelly1

5,630 posts

231 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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IPCC in 'Europe must go back to the Stone Age' shocker... clicky...

rovermorris999

5,201 posts

189 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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nelly1 said:
IPCC in 'Europe must go back to the Stone Age' shocker... clicky...
It'd be funny if it wasn't going to cost us all. What a tosser.

motco

15,945 posts

246 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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rovermorris999 said:
nelly1 said:
IPCC in 'Europe must go back to the Stone Age' shocker... clicky...
It'd be funny if it wasn't going to cost us all. What a tosser.
Contrive to reduce the world's population to stone age levels and the job's done!

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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The Don of Croy said:
Just glancing at the BM Reports monitor - wind at just shy of 6gW on a windy day (stormageddon not quite upon us at 09:00).

Am I right that figure is about 50% 'installed capacity'? On a windy day (across the whole UK so presumably better chance of more contribution)...

Still more than nuclear, this morning at least. Filthy coal and gas keeping us warm and pumping our water still.
I think that is about 60% of the metered wind capacity, that does seem to be about the optimum ceiling of the wind output (if you look back at the yearly graph it never really exceeds that).
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