Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

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Pablo16v

2,071 posts

196 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Guam said:
Pictures appearing of the latest batch of Warming in the US, be warned the Vinerism is strong in these smile

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2838919/Bi...


laugh

Jinx

11,343 posts

259 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Had the misfortune to catch a bit of a piece on the £6Billion being put into the green scam fund earlier on BBC. The start of the segment (by our old friend Rog Harriban) had the opening line "Pollution from rich nations started the greenhouse effect"
There is so much wrong with that statement I wanted to cry And that gentlemen and women is the propaganda we are being targeted with on a daily basis.

Anyone want to defend the BBC?

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Pablo16v said:


laugh
it's just part of the plan, more weight and less aero will increase fuel consumption which in turn will heat up the atmosphere and melt the snow!

rovermorris999

5,195 posts

188 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Pablo16v said:


laugh
Good job it's not battery-powered.

turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Australian Government Rebukes Obama Climate Claims

Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop criticised US President Barack Obama for a speech in Brisbane last weekend in which he claimed climate change threatened the Great Barrier Reef. It is highly unusual for an Australian foreign minister to openly criticise a US President.
Radio Australia, 20 November 2014

but ok when the potus in question actually is u s

New Science Scandal as Polar Bear Researchers ‘Hide The Increase’

Why did the Southern Beaufort polar bear population survey stop in 2010? It’s clear that the recently-published and widely-hyped new study stopped before the population rebound from a known decline was complete. The researchers of the recently-published paper knew before starting their mark-recapture study in 2007 that the population decline had taken place. They also knew why the numbers dropped and that previous declines, caused by similar conditions, had been followed by a full recovery. In fact, a US Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) survey of Southern Beaufort polar bears in 2012 found numbers were higher than they had been in a decade.
Susan Crockford, Polar Bear Science, 19 November 2014


turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Jinx said:
Had the misfortune to catch a bit of a piece on the £6Billion being put into the green scam fund earlier on BBC. The start of the segment (by our old friend Rog Harriban) had the opening line "Pollution from rich nations started the greenhouse effect"
There is so much wrong with that statement I wanted to cry And that gentlemen and women is the propaganda we are being targeted with on a daily basis.
That propaganda is far worse than previously thought possible.

Naturally occurring O3, naturally generated NOx, naturally occurring SO2 and CO666 had no effect, only human emissions of tax gas have an effect.

Priceless nonscience. Clearly they mean the yet-to-be-visible-in-the-data enhanced greenhouse effect and the omission of a word was purely accidental. According to Jimmy Hill's reckoning, allegedly.

Jinx said:
Anyone want to defend the BBC?
PistonHeads: not defending the indefensible matters

dickymint

24,088 posts

257 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Quote of the day on Bishops in response to Ed Davey trying to take credit for Ineos investment into fracking ........ Will Davey demand that drills are powered by onsite windmills?

Forgot the link but MBH has got it below wink
Edited by dickymint on Thursday 20th November 22:29


Edited by dickymint on Thursday 20th November 22:30

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/11/20/...

Roger Harrabin is not the harbinger of doom, he's a very naughty boy :cough: liar :cough:...


turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Blow For Green Blues As Climate Sceptic Party Wins Another By-Election

Ukip won a landmark victory in Rochester and Strood today, overturning a Tory majority of 10,000 to secure its second MP. David Cameron’s failure to hold a seat the Tories won four years ago with 49 per cent of the vote is a major blow for the prime minister, who visited the seat five times in the run-up to yesterday’s poll.
Laura Pitel, The Times, 21 November 2014


Ineos: UK’s Industrial Future Is Bleak If Energy Prices Don’t Come Down Soon

Jim Ratcliffe, Ineos chairman, claimed that a glut of cheap domestically produced shale gas could solve the country’s energy and manufacturing crises and secure the future of the UK’s largest privately owned company. Mr Ratcliffe warned that its plastics manufacturing plant at Runcorn, in Cheshire, which employs 1,300 workers and uses as much electricity as Liverpool, would eventually have to close. If Ineos cannot cut its energy bill with domestically produced shale gas, he said that the group’s future in the UK, along with the rest of the country’s remaining industrial base, was bleak.
Tim Webb, The Times, 21 November 2014


Aged Concerned

Around 3.5 million older people are worried they will not be able to stay warm this winter. An older person dies every seven minutes from cold weather each winter, and those living in the coldest homes are hit most by excess winter death rates and illness, according to Age UK. A third of over-65s are concerned about how they will heat their homes this winter and 70 per cent have fears over the high cost of energy, according to new research from Age UK. Escalating energy bills is one of the main concerns over the winter months for around five million over-65s, the research says today.
Yorkshire Post, 11 November 2014


Blib

43,788 posts

196 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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turbobloke said:

Ineos: UK’s Industrial Future Is Bleak If Energy Prices Don’t Come Down Soon

Jim Ratcliffe, Ineos chairman, claimed that a glut of cheap domestically produced shale gas could solve the country’s energy and manufacturing crises and secure the future of the UK’s largest privately owned company. Mr Ratcliffe warned that its plastics manufacturing plant at Runcorn, in Cheshire, which employs 1,300 workers and uses as much electricity as Liverpool, would eventually have to close. If Ineos cannot cut its energy bill with domestically produced shale gas, he said that the group’s future in the UK, along with the rest of the country’s remaining industrial base, was bleak.
Tim Webb, The Times, 21 November 2014
Ratcliffe should hang his head in shame. Does he not understand that our politicians are on a mission to save the planet?

He's so selfish.

turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Blib said:
turbobloke said:

Ineos: UK’s Industrial Future Is Bleak If Energy Prices Don’t Come Down Soon

Jim Ratcliffe, Ineos chairman, claimed that a glut of cheap domestically produced shale gas could solve the country’s energy and manufacturing crises and secure the future of the UK’s largest privately owned company. Mr Ratcliffe warned that its plastics manufacturing plant at Runcorn, in Cheshire, which employs 1,300 workers and uses as much electricity as Liverpool, would eventually have to close. If Ineos cannot cut its energy bill with domestically produced shale gas, he said that the group’s future in the UK, along with the rest of the country’s remaining industrial base, was bleak.
Tim Webb, The Times, 21 November 2014
Ratcliffe should hang his head in shame. Does he not understand that our politicians are on a mission to save the planet?

He's so selfish.
hehe

Any fule kno what politicians must do.

Maurice Strong as Head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and remaining UN Mister Climate Personality said:
Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?

jurbie

2,339 posts

200 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-...

Renewable energy doesn't work shocker according to the boffins at Google. They've obviously not spoken to Transverse Tight so hopefully he can let them know where they've gone wrong.

hidetheelephants

23,731 posts

192 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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I was aware the numbers were crap, but had not appreciated they were *that* crap. No doubt this will be dismissed as Google being in the pay of lizards/big oil/bilderberg/CIA.

turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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jurbie said:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-...

Renewable energy doesn't work shocker according to the boffins at Google. They've obviously not spoken to Transverse Tight so hopefully he can let them know where they've gone wrong.
By way of summary: catastrophic climate change caused by humans, which isn't going to happen, can't be cured by expensive renewables, which won't work. Apart from the odd trillions of dollars wasted to date, that's getting close to win-win if they call a halt to the madness now.

hidetheelephants said:
I was aware the numbers were crap, but had not appreciated they were *that* crap. No doubt this will be dismissed as Google being in the pay of lizards/big oil/bilderberg/CIA.
So they won't stop the madness after all. Politicians' epitaph to Green lunacy "we almost stopped it but didn't want to look as foolish as we are while the left-liberal wet dream could be made to look alive and us with it".

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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jurbie said:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-...

Renewable energy doesn't work shocker according to the boffins at Google. They've obviously not spoken to Transverse Tight so hopefully he can let them know where they've gone wrong.
"This leads to a runaway cycle of constructing more and more renewable plants simply to produce the energy required to manufacture and maintain renewable energy plants – an obvious practical absurdity."

It's always been obvious to me, but impossible to calculate easily, that a genuine audit of everything green would prove it anything but. e.g. We now have the ridiculous situation where massively powerful electric/hybrid cars are taxed under tiny CO2 emissions - clearly it isn't an honest way to measure their true overall environmental impact - which is probably actually greater than their fossil fueled equivalents.

There must be a name for it, but common sense dictates that generally, the more complex the solution, the greater the diminishing returns, and the greater the harmful unintended consequences.

rovermorris999

5,195 posts

188 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Who'd have thought it? smile

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Mr GrimNasty said:
There must be a name for it, but common sense dictates that generally, the more complex the solution, the greater the diminishing returns, and the greater the harmful unintended consequences.
Occam's chainsaw, perhaps?

dickymint

24,088 posts

257 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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dickymint said:
Article said:
In a few instances in the early part of the public debate, the proponents attempted direct debate with their critics but came away looking decidedly second-best and they soon refused any further direct discussion. With no convincing answers to the uncertainties and conflicting evidence raised by their opponents they simply chose to ignore them, declare the science “settled” and anoint themselves as the only experts. All who disagreed agree were deemed to be fools, knaves and/or in the pay and pocket of Big Energy.
That approach, which we've seen on PH so many times, is now playing out yet again in the New York 6ft of Global Warming thread as well as here, where posts by BV, curry, gandy et al are smack on the money i.e. following the above recipe with no credible evidence to go.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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"The only significant effect attributable with any confidence to increased CO2 thus far has been a marked greening of arid regions and an increase in agricultural yields."

It does beg the question, we're always being told the cost of CO2/predicted climate change - but what about a total audit of predicted costs and benefits - could it be that the £trillions of imaginary losses are offset by equally probable advantages? But who is researching the benefits, have any grants ever been allocated to research the benefits?
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