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[ucb]

I have no idea what you mean by bonus working in the public sector

[Randy Winkman]

ucb said:

I have no idea what you mean by bonus working in the public sector

For a mainstream Civil Servant, "a bonus" is a few hundred quid one-off payment (i.e. your salary/pension doesn't increase). Normally for getting the top "box marking" in your annual appraisal.

[FiF]

Randy Winkman said:

ucb said:

I have no idea what you mean by bonus working in the public sector

For a mainstream Civil Servant, "a bonus" is a few hundred quid one-off payment (i.e. your salary/pension doesn't increase). Normally for getting the top "box marking" in your annual appraisal.

Just out of interest as a comparison what are people imagining is a bonus for a mainstream worker in the private sector. Be honest.

[Regiment]

FiF said:

Just out of interest as a comparison what are people imagining is a bonus for a mainstream worker in the private sector. Be honest.

I work in the private sector, each year there is a pay review. Business good, we get an 1 - 2 % pay rise. However, if business isn't as good, we get a few hundred £ bonus instead.

[mph1977]

Randy Winkman said:

ucb said:

I have no idea what you mean by bonus working in the public sector

For a mainstream Civil Servant, "a bonus" is a few hundred quid one-off payment (i.e. your salary/pension doesn't increase). Normally for getting the top "box marking" in your annual appraisal.

whereas for a police officer, police staff, firefighter or NHS worker such bonuses do not exist, unless of couirse they are on VSM pay scales.

[Sheepshanks]

Randy Winkman said:

For a mainstream Civil Servant, "a bonus" is a few hundred quid one-off payment (i.e. your salary/pension doesn't increase). Normally for getting the top "box marking" in your annual appraisal.

They're very random in the Civil Service at the ordinary worker level - my missus spent most of her working life in four Civil Service departments, including HMRC, and it was only in the Insolvency Service that she got a bonus, and various other little rewards. Then they offered redundancy - it's such a great job that literally half of the entire staff applied.

[FiF]

Regiment said:

FiF said:

Just out of interest as a comparison what are people imagining is a bonus for a mainstream worker in the private sector. Be honest.

I work in the private sector, each year there is a pay review. Business good, we get an 1 - 2 % pay rise. However, if business isn't as good, we get a few hundred £ bonus instead.

That's the realism of it. A review anywhere between zero and a few % , as in 1, 2 or maybe 3%. Bonus anything from zero bonus to a maximum of 10%. Saw 10% once in 30 years of even being eligible for a bonus.

Most years in the last decade it's been zero or 1%.

None of this annual increments for having a bum in the seat.

[Randy Winkman]

FiF said:

Randy Winkman said:

ucb said:

I have no idea what you mean by bonus working in the public sector

For a mainstream Civil Servant, "a bonus" is a few hundred quid one-off payment (i.e. your salary/pension doesn't increase). Normally for getting the top "box marking" in your annual appraisal.

Just out of interest as a comparison what are people imagining is a bonus for a mainstream worker in the private sector. Be honest.

I've quite literally no idea.

[mph1977]

FiF said:

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None of this annual increments for having a bum in the seat.

I Wonder how many times this will have to be said forthe hard of understanding

1. There are a limited number of incremental steps in all the pay grades in question

2. Incremental progression depends on satisfactory performance

3. In the NHS there are a number of 'gateways' within each band ( 2 in most bands (intermediate and full competent), 3 in the others - the third in band 5 for Health professionals ( which comes first) is completion of 'mentorship i.e. 'core operational competencies' ) where in addition to satisfactory progression specific competencies have to be met.

4.The top increment or next to top increment is the wage for the job ... lower increments represent development pay points / recognition for experience ...

Edited by mph1977 on Sunday 6th July 12:22

[Randy Winkman]

Sheepshanks said:

Randy Winkman said:

For a mainstream Civil Servant, "a bonus" is a few hundred quid one-off payment (i.e. your salary/pension doesn't increase). Normally for getting the top "box marking" in your annual appraisal.

They're very random in the Civil Service at the ordinary worker level - my missus spent most of her working life in four Civil Service departments, including HMRC, and it was only in the Insolvency Service that she got a bonus, and various other little rewards. Then they offered redundancy - it's such a great job that literally half of the entire staff applied.

Just to clarify - by "bonus", I mean "performance pay". i.e. Something that reflects that some people get better appraisal markings than others. The next time redundancy is offered, I'll be very tempted. Why anyone joins the Civil Service nowadays, I cant imagine. I suppose it's because we are still doing OK in the race to the bottom.

[Sheepshanks]

Randy Winkman said:

Just to clarify - by "bonus", I mean "performance pay". i.e. Something that reflects that some people get better appraisal markings than others.

For my missus, it was just a discretionary straight bonus. They used to get £50/£75/£100 shopping vouchers now and again as well.

No-one got top box marking but they (contrary to what everyone will tell you) did fairly aggressively manage out people at the bottom.

[SpeedMattersNot]

FiF said:

Just out of interest as a comparison what are people imagining is a bonus for a mainstream worker in the private sector. Be honest.

As a Land Rover technician if I hit my monthly target I would get 1% of my salary - typically I could get 3/4 of my targets.

But all bonus schemes affected my workmanship. They never paid me more money to do a better job, not once.

[mph1977]

SpeedMattersNot said:

FiF said:

Just out of interest as a comparison what are people imagining is a bonus for a mainstream worker in the private sector. Be honest.

As a Land Rover technician if I hit my monthly target I would get 1% of my salary - typically I could get 3/4 of my targets.

But all bonus schemes affected my workmanship. They never paid me more money to do a better job, not once.

i know of a workplace who abandoned an individual performance based bonus scheme becasue ofthe costs of adminstering as it stood and the level of fiddling in the scheme which could not be addressed without spending even more money .

it was replaced with a higher basic and a team based rewards scheme based on being the 'labour analysis' planner which is acknowledged to be be somewhere about right and beating it means working hard but it's doable ... it also took the variability of 'good' and 'bad' tasks and who got what when out of the equation (due to shortcomings in the modelling that drives the labour analysis suich as a issue over small orders with lots of SKUs in few cases when the planner 'target time' assumes a limited number of SKUs compared to cases )

[anonymous-user]

SpeedMattersNot said:

s a Land Rover technician if I hit my monthly target I would get 1% of my salary - typically I could get 3/4 of my targets.

But all bonus schemes affected my workmanship. They never paid me more money to do a better job, not once.

Is that why many Landrovers 'seem' to break down and have many glitchy faults,

Bonus payments that encourage poor behaviour shouldn't be encouraged surely ?
From 5 mins in http://youtu.be/ZpRz4hKffSA
This was the culture, I'll admit public sector rarely make money as they provide services maybe that's why the 'figures' are fiddled so much to make them look better than they really are.

[mercGLowner]

Another 'nose in the trough' public servant......

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/2014/07/...

£90k more than the PM!

[arp1]

Have a look at the pay increase thread to see what pay increases and bonuses the private sector get...

As for the public servant nose in trough... That's a chief, which is no surprise based on other dubious decisions in recent times, however the exact same could be said for private sector chiefs, so pot calling kettle there...

[Randy Winkman]

Welcome to the modern world. Public or private, we bow down to the all-powerful wealth creators.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640483/Me...

(Cant believe I've just posted a DM link.)

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

Welcome to the modern world. Public or private, we bow down to the all-powerful wealth creators.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640483/Me...

(Cant believe I've just posted a DM link.)

More fool the fkwit shareholders who pay those people, but at least they have a choice.

[Randy Winkman]

REALIST123 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Welcome to the modern world. Public or private, we bow down to the all-powerful wealth creators.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640483/Me...

(Cant believe I've just posted a DM link.)

More fool the fkwit shareholders who pay those people, but at least they have a choice.

They've fallen for it.

[greygoose]

REALIST123 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Welcome to the modern world. Public or private, we bow down to the all-powerful wealth creators.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640483/Me...

(Cant believe I've just posted a DM link.)

More fool the fkwit shareholders who pay those people, but at least they have a choice.

Do small shareholders have much of a choice? Once the big pension companies and investment groups have voted there doesn't seem much influence left, often the city appears to be a cartel of funds and companies supporting one another's high pay.