North Korea - how serious should we take them?

North Korea - how serious should we take them?

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Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Gecko1978 said:
I wonder how you even responde to things like this if it were the result of military attack.

Say it was a cross channel ferry and an non EU nation sunk it deliberatly what would our responce be. The rational part of my mind says sactions, international condemnation, shouting in the UN etc, I just don't see war if it were a one off. In the waters around Korea though hmm maybe but then you are talking 100,000 deaths or more so is it worth it. But then do the South Koreans just accept being killed off now and again. Really hard to see a logical outcome to all of this.
To my mind in the scenario you gave of cross channel ferry would be huge sanctions but also I would advocate a 1 off bombing raid on a military target. It shows that you are not afraid to use force and that you can enter their air space when you want to.

In North Korea it is a little different. I suspect NK is just going to keep pushing and pushing until they get an excuse for a war. It is the only way they can hold onto power in the long run. Sooner or later the people will get fed up with going hungry and being backward, it has happened in every other similar country that i can think of.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Grumfutock said:
To my mind in the scenario you gave of cross channel ferry would be huge sanctions but also I would advocate a 1 off bombing raid on a military target. It shows that you are not afraid to use force and that you can enter their air space when you want to.

In North Korea it is a little different. I suspect NK is just going to keep pushing and pushing until they get an excuse for a war. It is the only way they can hold onto power in the long run. Sooner or later the people will get fed up with going hungry and being backward, it has happened in every other similar country that i can think of.
Disagree, the last thing NK wants is all out war. They don't have the equipment or logistics, and their next door neighbour won't let them.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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eldar said:
Disagree, the last thing NK wants is all out war. They don't have the equipment or logistics, and their next door neighbour won't let them.
NK doesn't want war. They want the threat of war, and stories about their gallant fighters operating under the waves, and fighting for the freedom of the NK people.

hidetheelephants

23,772 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Munter said:
eldar said:
Disagree, the last thing NK wants is all out war. They don't have the equipment or logistics, and their next door neighbour won't let them.
NK doesn't want war. They want the threat of war, and stories about their gallant fighters operating under the waves, and fighting for the freedom of the NK people.
By murdering school children? That's a stretch even by the loony standards of NK. The rapidity of sinking means either a 'Costa Concordia' style grounding ripping the guts out of the ship, or a mine/torpedo attack. Hitting a submerged container at speed should not cause sinking, just flooding forward of the collision bulkhead.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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<TomClancy>
Someone from Russia has a word with someone in NK to commit an outrage which leads to conflict in the east, distracting the USA, leaving Putin free to pick off the rest of Ukraine...
</TomClancy>

Laurel Green

30,770 posts

231 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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CrutyRammers said:
<TomClancy>
Someone from Russia has a word with someone in NK to commit an outrage which leads to conflict in the east, distracting the USA, leaving Putin free to pick off the rest of Ukraine...
</TomClancy>
Have you read his last book(Command Authority)? Struck a cord when first hearing of the troubles in the Ukraine.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Laurel Green said:
Have you read his last book(Command Authority)? Struck a cord when first hearing of the troubles in the Ukraine.
Nah, nothing since Red Storm Rising I'm afraid, which I really enjoyed.

TobyLaRohne

5,713 posts

205 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Laurel Green said:
CrutyRammers said:
<TomClancy>
Someone from Russia has a word with someone in NK to commit an outrage which leads to conflict in the east, distracting the USA, leaving Putin free to pick off the rest of Ukraine...
</TomClancy>
Have you read his last book(Command Authority)? Struck a cord when first hearing of the troubles in the Ukraine.
I am waiting for the audio book, love listening to the tom clancy series. Its a terrible shame he's dead now and there wont be any more books frown

Apache

39,731 posts

283 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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Grumfutock said:
The ferry sinking in SK waters. Another NK torp?

From the BBC:

"It is not yet clear what caused the incident, but witnesses described hearing an impact, before the ship listed and quickly sank.

One passenger told the YTN news channel: "We heard a big thumping sound and the boat stopped."

Don't trust the north, ever.
a torpedo would make much more of an impact than a big thump, it collided with something, what that something was could be anything from a chunk of land (it was off course) to a sub

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
Munter said:
eldar said:
Disagree, the last thing NK wants is all out war. They don't have the equipment or logistics, and their next door neighbour won't let them.
NK doesn't want war. They want the threat of war, and stories about their gallant fighters operating under the waves, and fighting for the freedom of the NK people.
By murdering school children? That's a stretch even by the loony standards of NK. The rapidity of sinking means either a 'Costa Concordia' style grounding ripping the guts out of the ship, or a mine/torpedo attack. Hitting a submerged container at speed should not cause sinking, just flooding forward of the collision bulkhead.
IF it was sunk by NK, I'd be pretty confident they didn't have a passenger manifest, and even if they did they would just tell their own people it was full of murderous SK Soldiers who were going to the island to practice a bit of NK baby rape for the upcoming invasion.

Far more likely it hit some land though if it was off course, rather than some NK plot. Even then I expect NK leaders are wondering if it can be claimed as some kind of victory for the north.

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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TobyLaRohne said:
Laurel Green said:
CrutyRammers said:
<TomClancy>
Someone from Russia has a word with someone in NK to commit an outrage which leads to conflict in the east, distracting the USA, leaving Putin free to pick off the rest of Ukraine...
</TomClancy>
Have you read his last book(Command Authority)? Struck a cord when first hearing of the troubles in the Ukraine.
I am waiting for the audio book, love listening to the tom clancy series. Its a terrible shame he's dead now and there wont be any more books frown
Some authors leave unfinished manuscripts, or even just plot ideas, which can be 'finished' after their death - Alistair MacLean and Robert Ludlum are two that spring to mind.

iggysport

463 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th April 2014
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I love ski rift!

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Saturday 3rd May 2014
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"North Korea - how serious should we take them?"

Crispy?

NASA Images Capture Huge Fires In North Korea - http://news.sky.com/story/1253952/nasa-images-capt...

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Saturday 3rd May 2014
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They been reading the BBQ thread.

hidetheelephants

23,772 posts

192 months

Sunday 4th May 2014
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Has Emsman been dropped on a secret squirrel mission to singe Kim Jong Unwell's eyebrows?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Sunday 4th May 2014
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Maybe his hat caught fire and they all followed suit.

Seriously though, the population are hard up enough as it is. Hope this is not more on their plate.

MartG

20,622 posts

203 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Now branching out into movie criticism it appears

http://uniladmag.com/video/north-korea-threatens-w...

Cobnapint

8,596 posts

150 months

Friday 27th June 2014
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They always threaten armageddon for the slightest misdemeanour. I don't recall any NK military action after 'Team America - World Police'.

Or perhaps they never got to see it!

Perhaps now would be a great time to re-release it. Or send fatboy a copy on VHS.

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Friday 27th June 2014
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Anyone live near Gunnersbury Avenue, South Acton.................yes they are actually in the South rofl

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=51.503413,-0.289807...

You could visit them at their embassy above and tell them just how much we love their funny fat president for life.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Friday 27th June 2014
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MartG said:
Now branching out into movie criticism it appears
"Resolute and merciless” response....

What's the fat little savage going to do, throw cake..?

rofl