Premier Lodge really improve standards - ask Chris Huhne
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Likened to the Savoy! Three tennis courts, football and hockey pitches, a gym and fitness suite, ornamental gardens, 135 acre grounds and organic food in the restuarant.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9964241/P...
And no cost - to visitors - and you get chance to meet some 'interesting characters'...
If only the Bangor Lodge was so nice, though last time I stopped there in the summer the guests from Scouserpool on my 'landing' were probably a bit too rough, loud ad unpleasant to have been allowed to stay. Now they were scum.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9964241/P...
And no cost - to visitors - and you get chance to meet some 'interesting characters'...
If only the Bangor Lodge was so nice, though last time I stopped there in the summer the guests from Scouserpool on my 'landing' were probably a bit too rough, loud ad unpleasant to have been allowed to stay. Now they were scum.
Open prisons are effective, efficient operations- much more so than in closed conditions.
For prisoners who do not represent a risk to society they should be employed as much as possible, as placing them in closed conditions is a waste of money and time.
The punishment element of prison is your loss of freedom. The conditions in prison should be proportionate to the aims of your incarceration.
For prisoners who do not represent a risk to society they should be employed as much as possible, as placing them in closed conditions is a waste of money and time.
The punishment element of prison is your loss of freedom. The conditions in prison should be proportionate to the aims of your incarceration.
10 Pence Short said:
The punishment element of prison is your loss of freedom. The conditions in prison should be proportionate to the aims of your incarceration.
Does that require, of tax payers, such relative luxuries/facilities? Why do the hotel chains make me suffer so much in comparison then, given that I actually do pay?;)I'm amazed anyone should ever want to escape! Maybe they are returning to lives of largess once they retrieve the pots of stolen gold...
"However, it also has high numbers of absconding prisoners. Last year, more than 20 inmates escaped. They include Sean Cawthray, a rapist who was jailed indefinitely in 2002 for attempting to kidnap a 14-year-old girl at a bus stop. He had previously served two jail terms for rape, but was deemed suitable for Leyhill, a category D prison for low risk inmates. He escaped in December, but handed himself into police in January."
One of the aims of prison is to release productive individuals back into society. Locking humans in a cell for 23 hours a day with no access to proper exercise or mental stimation is not conducive to that aim.
A fully working gymnasium and grounds for exercise are hardly the preserve of luxury hotels and I assure you the food prepared by inmates would not be an experience you'd want to try twice.
Many people fail to see or appreciate quite how punishing it is to have your freedom removed.
A fully working gymnasium and grounds for exercise are hardly the preserve of luxury hotels and I assure you the food prepared by inmates would not be an experience you'd want to try twice.
Many people fail to see or appreciate quite how punishing it is to have your freedom removed.
An awful lot in prison are repeat offenders- the vast majority. I would put a lot of that down to short prison sentences where the system does as little as possible to process them in and out.
The inconvenient answer is to increase sentence lengths and spend a lot more money educating and treating prisoners so they're equipped to deal with life outside without resporting to crime.
The inconvenient answer is to increase sentence lengths and spend a lot more money educating and treating prisoners so they're equipped to deal with life outside without resporting to crime.
10 Pence Short said:
An awful lot in prison are repeat offenders- the vast majority. I would put a lot of that down to short prison sentences where the system does as little as possible to process them in and out.
The inconvenient answer is to increase sentence lengths and spend a lot more money educating and treating prisoners so they're equipped to deal with life outside without resporting to crime.
I'd willingly pay for that. Would also like a better inspection and control regime to protect less vulnerable prisoners from the hardened cases/landing lords/gangsters and stop the laxity and iffy staff allowing drugs etc. to proliferate in the ways we're so often told about. If any prisoner comes out still addicted - worse still, became addicted after entering prison - to my mind that is one of the scandals of our legal/judicial system.The inconvenient answer is to increase sentence lengths and spend a lot more money educating and treating prisoners so they're equipped to deal with life outside without resporting to crime.
Within about 30 minutes of entering my cell in Durham I was offered drugs. It was a huge shock to me how big the trade in drugs (including prescription ones) was.
In open prison, the nature of the grounds at Wealstun Open meant packages were often left at the edges of the playing fields for inmates to collect. There were dealers inside, one of whom was caught with a client ledger and cash when I was in there.
If you could solve drug addiction and illiteracy in prison, you'd have an enormous impact on crime rates.
In open prison, the nature of the grounds at Wealstun Open meant packages were often left at the edges of the playing fields for inmates to collect. There were dealers inside, one of whom was caught with a client ledger and cash when I was in there.
If you could solve drug addiction and illiteracy in prison, you'd have an enormous impact on crime rates.
Again, agree entirely. Cleaning/sobering prisoners up and enforcing education and te gaining of employable skills for the illiterate and uneducated who claim that as a reason for their life of crime before any chance of early release should be mandatory in my view. And the prison staff who allow and even help the drugs trade in prison should be (a) sacked and/or (b) sentenced themselves to very long sentences.
An open prison near here (Sudbury) had an issue a while ago when prostitutes were entering the prison at night for stay overs!
An open prison near here (Sudbury) had an issue a while ago when prostitutes were entering the prison at night for stay overs!
10 Pence Short said:
An awful lot in prison are repeat offenders- the vast majority. I would put a lot of that down to short prison sentences where the system does as little as possible to process them in and out.
Could be they miss the tennis courts, football and hockey pitches, gym and fitness suite, ornamental gardens, 135 acre grounds and organic food in the restuarant?I'd imagine the 135 acres refers to the size of the whole site. Prisoners will have access to some parts and not others. Organic food will be food grown by inmates for use in the prison canteen, feeding prisoners. It's efficient.
Nothing like the press for misrepresentation or the gullible for believing it verbatim.
Nothing like the press for misrepresentation or the gullible for believing it verbatim.
sugerbear said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
True enough, but I suspect thay many of the guests there don't appreciate the punishment their crimes impose on their innocent victims.
I wonder how many are repeat offenders?
Just out of interest who are the innocent victims in the Huhne case?I wonder how many are repeat offenders?
TX.
sugerbear said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
True enough, but I suspect thay many of the guests there don't appreciate the punishment their crimes impose on their innocent victims.
I wonder how many are repeat offenders?
Just out of interest who are the innocent victims in the Huhne case?I wonder how many are repeat offenders?
REALIST123 said:
BoRED S2upid said:
If I ever do anything bad I prey I end up in this place my Tennis could do with some improvement and I need to go to the gym more I just dont get the time to play in the real world.
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