Fix It Again Tomorrow - Street Sleeper
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Thanks, no plans really. A few ideas I suppose, but I can't see anyone paying even a fraction of the costs involved to create it, even though it would make an integrale go pretty quickly and it's only done about 6000 miles, mainly on the road.
I'll probably carry on running it, either as a weekend toy or as a track car and just have some fun with it, we can continue to use it as a test bed for various things.
Another idea is to pull the engine and put it into an integrale ourselves and then develop another engine for the Coupe, I've got loads of ideas, just not the time nor funds to realise them.
I'd like to make a 'square' Lampredi lump, i.e. equal bore and stroke which would mean dropping to around 1.8 litres. You would lose torque, but gain RPM and BHP so it would need to go into something light, great in an Elise or similar!
For the Coupe we could build a really high torque, but not massive bhp motor just for daily drive and cruising, supercharger and turbo would also be great, the possibilities are endless, sadly the wallet isn't.
I'll probably carry on running it, either as a weekend toy or as a track car and just have some fun with it, we can continue to use it as a test bed for various things.
Another idea is to pull the engine and put it into an integrale ourselves and then develop another engine for the Coupe, I've got loads of ideas, just not the time nor funds to realise them.
I'd like to make a 'square' Lampredi lump, i.e. equal bore and stroke which would mean dropping to around 1.8 litres. You would lose torque, but gain RPM and BHP so it would need to go into something light, great in an Elise or similar!
For the Coupe we could build a really high torque, but not massive bhp motor just for daily drive and cruising, supercharger and turbo would also be great, the possibilities are endless, sadly the wallet isn't.
Edited by Evoluzione on Tuesday 25th June 10:52
Evoluzione said:
No, you don't need big names to make big numbers 
Just good basic sound knowledge here at Deltaparts.
Given that we've shoved it right up the behinds of some bigmouths names there will be a lot of avoidance about saying who it is and a lot of misinformation/guessing about it. No cheating here, multiple engine builds or hawking it around various Dynos to get better figures though. 
the clue is on the heading of dyno sheet btw
Just good basic sound knowledge here at Deltaparts.Given that we've shoved it right up the behinds of some big
the clue is on the heading of dyno sheet btw
Edited by Evoluzione on Wednesday 26th June 14:32
Based on that a completely off topic question, but what are the Delta HPE's like?And with regards your comment about Dynos, I only ever trust RS's results for the same reasons youv'e stated.
s_zigmond said:
Based on that a completely off topic question, but what are the Delta HPE's like?And with regards your comment about Dynos, I only ever trust RS's results for the same reasons youv'e stated.
A bit about the HPE here: http://deltaparts1.blogspot.co.uk/
At the end of the article, sorry, you'll have to wade through the lesson on Windmills!
Any more info let me know.
Evoluzione said:
We've only just started using them, they seem like a decent set of fellas, I would dearly love the skills to be able to map a car really well, but I think I'll just stick to the oily bits.
A bit about the HPE here: http://deltaparts1.blogspot.co.uk/
At the end of the article, sorry, you'll have to wade through the lesson on Windmills!
Any more info let me know.
Cheers fella. Much apreciated. Ill take a read A bit about the HPE here: http://deltaparts1.blogspot.co.uk/
At the end of the article, sorry, you'll have to wade through the lesson on Windmills!
Any more info let me know.
Hoopsuk said:
Good read. Good build. I like the science behind your mods and numbers.
Thanks, we should crack 500 quite easily when I get the time to sort out the interference issue. So far I've just found out that the OE wiring is already shielded and earthed so it isn't that, probably a faulty sensor, plug leads or non-resistor spark plugs.I fathomed out (well ok, I asked my mate) how to get some footage from my phone onto my computer so here is one of the earlier dyno pulls:
If you close your eyes for the first 20 secs it sounds like you're being overtaken by a truck on the motorway.
Interesting what you did with the intake plumbing. The accepted doctrine on the Coupe forum is for a straight induction pipe with K and N type filter on the end routed straight off the compressor intake into the space infront of the front left wheel arch. Obviously, this doesn't make all that much difference relative to the other mods.
Hoopsuk said:
Interesting what you did with the intake plumbing. The accepted doctrine on the Coupe forum is for a straight induction pipe with K and N type filter on the end routed straight off the compressor intake into the space infront of the front left wheel arch. Obviously, this doesn't make all that much difference relative to the other mods.
Many folk on the Coupe forum are like mushrooms, they're fed s
t and kept in the dark. You have to take anything written on a forum with a pinch of salt, it's like reading The Sun, when you do it for a job it's quite amusing what people write on forums and think they know your business.
If you want some noise and poor filtration fit a cotton or foam filter, if you want good filtering quality then fit paper. I don't like noise if I can help it.
If you're worried about restriction fit two....
OP, interesting what you say about the Wilwood discs being soft. During a work trip to the US, I had some bells made for Wilwood discs for my RS6 C6, as the stock steel brakes are woeful. The Wilwoods lasted less than 1000 miles, as the discs were so soft, and the pads just too abrasive. No one else believed this story (I did even have difficulties myself, after previous great Wilwood setup on a Range Rover), but now I see it's not ungeard of.
Great build on the Coupe, too ! Great thread. The same motor as a 16v Integrale, who'd have thought !
Great build on the Coupe, too ! Great thread. The same motor as a 16v Integrale, who'd have thought !
I wish! I will have another one day, just wish I had the money to buy a clean Evo 2 before they started to increase in value, they have doubled in the last few years as you well know! There is not as much money in plumbing as people think for the small professional who believes in a fair price. Unfortunately there are a quite a few that are money orientated and do a crap job for mega money. I like to sleep sound at night and have not advertised since I started 10 years ago so must be doing some thing right..
Hoopsuk said:
Is this project still on the road? or has it been sold on?
It got pushed to the back of the workshop tbh as we got busy with other stuff, oh and 'Nats' came along:
I was going to do a 4 x 4 conversion, but decided against it so all the bits are for sale.
I do plan on wheeling the red one out and doing some trackdays with it this year though.
Edited by Evoluzione on Saturday 24th January 23:11
The ebay intercooler you bought looks very like an Autobahn88 product......if so, there are 2 types, one of which seems pretty decent, and another, externally identical, which is pants. You don't know which you'll get 'til it's delivered, get to look inside, and only then can you figure out if it's bar and plate, or tube and fin!
I didn't know all this when I bought mine, and was pretty appalled when I measured the temps against the standard one ( this is on an Evo 8 / 9 hybrid ), and found them to be massively worse. A standing start full throttle blast through the gears, 0-140 mph, in mine saw the initial figure increase from 31 degrees at standstill after sitting at lights on a summer day, to 49 and climbing, with no sign of the increase slowing down. Given the figures you're getting with it fitted, you've probably ended up with the good one if it's the same manufacturer, but worth checking the inlet temps maybe? Did it say what the temps were on the rollers?
The Evo guys are getting significant increases in hp with ETS coolers after a map tweak to take advantage. They're expensive, and pretty heavy, but they really seem to keep the temps down when measured against others. I fitted one about a year ago, and it does the exact opposite of the other one, the temps decrease more or less immediately after launching, and continue to do so until they level out at about 18 degrees, even when the ambient temp is in the mid twenties.
Hope the above is useful, but I expect you're way ahead of me if the quality of the rest of it is anything to go by!
Great thread, I love stuff like this, always liked the Coupes, never brave enough to take the plunge though.
I didn't know all this when I bought mine, and was pretty appalled when I measured the temps against the standard one ( this is on an Evo 8 / 9 hybrid ), and found them to be massively worse. A standing start full throttle blast through the gears, 0-140 mph, in mine saw the initial figure increase from 31 degrees at standstill after sitting at lights on a summer day, to 49 and climbing, with no sign of the increase slowing down. Given the figures you're getting with it fitted, you've probably ended up with the good one if it's the same manufacturer, but worth checking the inlet temps maybe? Did it say what the temps were on the rollers?
The Evo guys are getting significant increases in hp with ETS coolers after a map tweak to take advantage. They're expensive, and pretty heavy, but they really seem to keep the temps down when measured against others. I fitted one about a year ago, and it does the exact opposite of the other one, the temps decrease more or less immediately after launching, and continue to do so until they level out at about 18 degrees, even when the ambient temp is in the mid twenties.
Hope the above is useful, but I expect you're way ahead of me if the quality of the rest of it is anything to go by!
Great thread, I love stuff like this, always liked the Coupes, never brave enough to take the plunge though.
Edited by Heaveho on Saturday 24th January 18:17
Edited by Heaveho on Saturday 24th January 22:22
Evoluzione said:
It got pushed to the back of the workshop tbh as we got busy with other stuff, oh and 'Nats' came along:
I was going to do a 4 x 4 conversion, but decided against it so all the bits are for sale.
I do plan on wheeling it out and doing some trackdays with it this year though.
Tell us about Nats then... I was going to do a 4 x 4 conversion, but decided against it so all the bits are for sale.
I do plan on wheeling it out and doing some trackdays with it this year though.
Edited by Evoluzione on Saturday 24th January 17:44
heisthegaffer said:
Tell us about Nats then...
There isn't much of great interest to say really, yet another 16vt picked up on Ebay... 'Never buy a car because of its colour', they say along with not buying a car you've never seen in the flesh, so I bought it. I figured we could do something with it no matter what, but when I offloaded it from the trailer and got it up on the lift I was pleasantly surprised as was a really solid car - no rust in the usual places.
Yeah it had issues, it looked like the bloke from Fake Taxi had been performing on the back seat, had little chav touches here and there, a good array of warning lights on the dashboard, front grille missing, bonnet release cable broken and a few things I've forgotten.
On the plus side was the colour (Ink black), the aforementioned lack of rust, new clutch, from susp' arms, 'stat & rad.
I got busy over a series of Saturdays making it right again:
Various wiring and sensor issues solved, boost valve fitted and set up, SS exhaust and wheels robbed from a breaker and fitted with ZZ3s, set of coilovers and brakes, fluids and cambelt.
Chav valve and pisspoor filter removed and sold on:
Badly painted centre console and inoperative clock sorted:
De-chavving the interior:
Italia crest badges removed from bonnet, pie key anti-corrosion injection, flatted n polished the bodywork and she looked pretty good:
It's been reasonably reliable for a 17yr old Fiat Coupe and i've only needed towing in twice, once when the fuel pump fuse blew (and the bonnet release cable snapped) and once when a hole blew through the side of an in-tank fuel hose. The latter may have been down to age or the fact we were running it on 33% paint thinners, we'll never know.
Running a chip and decat it's probably around 240 - 250 bhp with the boost valve making it come on pretty hard, it just about holds traction in the wet in 2nd so ok for a road car (imo).
Jobs to do include replacing leaking waterpump and an oil change, apart from that all is good at the moment.
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