RE: New Civic Type R details

RE: New Civic Type R details

Wednesday 24th July 2013

New Civic Type R details

The skinny on how Honda hopes to put Renaultsport in the shade with the new Civic Type R



While Honda remains decidedly tight-lipped about the next generation Civic Type R, does the new Civic Tourer estate point to the use of an adaptive suspension system? And has it 'accidentally' leaked the hot hatch in a development video? Having behaved ourselves with the Tourer's embargo we can now expand on our teaser story of last week...

Interesting test mule beside less interesting Tourer
Interesting test mule beside less interesting Tourer
There are no two ways about it - Honda is taking an awfully long time over the new Civic Type R. In fact, Volkswagen has managed to launch an entirely new Golf and introduce the GTI variant since Honda announced its intentions. And the damn thing still isn't due until at least 2014. Possibly even 2015.

However, we do know it will be powered by a turbocharged engine, in place of the traditional VTEC wonder box - though the jury is still out on whether this will be a screaming downsized 1.6 (to match current touring car and rally regulations) or a more muscular 2.0-litre unit. Either way, boost just kicked in, yo.

Then there's the bold statement by at least two senior Honda personnel (CEO Takanobu Ito and R&D chief Yoshiharu Yamamoto) confirming that the new car is after the front-wheel drive Nurburgring lap record. Prompting all sorts of speculation about power outputs 300hp plus? and the gearbox. After all, Honda makes no secret that its own dual-clutch unit is in the works.

Now Honda has revealed the Civic Tourer. This doesn't sound like much of an incentive to talk about the Type R some more - except for the surprise appearance of a Civic hatchback with an enormous rear wing in the official development video. The source of the inevitably grainy screen shot above. First official sighting of the Type R in the wild? Quite possibly.

No more screaming VTECs, more's the pity
No more screaming VTECs, more's the pity
Then there's the Civic Tourer's optional Adaptive Damper System (ADS), a variable active suspension set-up that takes the novel approach of only being applied to the back axle. Which is a world first, incidentally. Having driven the prototype, it's surprisingly effective, as well as essentially halving costs - but more pertinently was initially developed using five-door Civic hatchback mules.

Now, the European engineers responsible for the Tourer were absolutely not prepared to say whether the Type R would use something similar - or even whether it would have adaptive suspension at all. But when asked, they did immediately circle back to the Nurburgring conundrum, and point out that in order to go quickly round there you do need a rather special sort of solution. ADS might just be that secret weapon.

So, the 2015 Type R formula is looking something like a turbo engine, a dual-clutch gearbox, adaptive suspension and a bloody great tea tray. Make of that what you will.

 

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Pierscoe1

Original Poster:

2,458 posts

262 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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BMW lose their 6-cylinder in the 1-series, Honda dumping their awesome screaming VTECs... sad days.

I know technology changes, eco blah blah....

...but can't giving all the school-run-mums, city commuters, shopping-trolley drivers, taxi drivers & other people who think of a car as an appliance their 1-cylinder-half-litre-hybrid-turbo-diesel trundle-mobiles be enough of an offset to let us, the quite small minority that love thier cars, keep our fun toys with proper engines!??!


if it were really about the environment.... http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green...

/end-morning-rant.

bozzy101

506 posts

140 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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A bizarre lack of actual facts considering the article being named "New Civic Type R details".

bozzy101

506 posts

140 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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redlinecal

33 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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As someone who is turning 21 and will be 22 and graduated by the time this car is out, I can MAYBE deal with a lack of screaming vtecy0 engine, sign of the times etc...however possibly no manual gearbox as well?

I'm out...start saving for a DC5

CraigyMc

16,473 posts

237 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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bozzy101 said:
A bizarre lack of actual facts considering the article being named "New Civic Type R details".
I was thinking that. I was expecting at least to know what sort of engine it'd have, given the thread title (although if it turns out to be anything other than a 1.6 turbo 4 that would be surprising)

motor mad

473 posts

190 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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I like how the car gets written off far in advance.

If the senior folks at Honda continually state they want this car to break certain lap records, they are going to look pretty daft if it doesn't. Therefore I'm going to stick my neck out and say this car has the potential to be something special.

kambites

67,645 posts

222 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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motor mad said:
If the senior folks at Honda continually state they want this car to break certain lap records...
I think that's part of the reason many people are writing it off. Setting out with the aim of breaking lap records is often a good way to produce a rubbish road car.

n4aat

458 posts

213 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Is this place the new Auto Express? Only missing the pointless CAD mock up.

Just wait for some FACTS!

Imafreeman

117 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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I'd rather have an electric engine than a small turbo petrol one (have a 1.4 turbo atm, and don't like it). They really aren't very nice to drive compared to a screaming vtech or supercharged. Turbos should stay on diesel barges.

CraigyMc

16,473 posts

237 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Imafreeman said:
I'd rather have an electric engine than a small turbo petrol one (have a 1.4 turbo atm, and don't like it). They really aren't very nice to drive compared to a screaming vtech or supercharged. Turbos should stay on diesel barges.
It's "vtec".
"Vtech" is a brand of toy computer.

How do you propose storing the electricity to run the electric engine?

C

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

266 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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CraigyMc said:
bozzy101 said:
A bizarre lack of actual facts considering the article being named "New Civic Type R details".
I was thinking that. I was expecting at least to know what sort of engine it'd have, given the thread title (although if it turns out to be anything other than a 1.6 turbo 4 that would be surprising)
The point is to get as much forum traffic for the advertisers as possible.

At least I hope that's what the point is, because otherwise it's just publishing no news for no reason.

seefarr

1,474 posts

187 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Pierscoe1 said:
if it were really about the environment.... http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green...

/end-morning-rant.
You posted a link to a video about African deserts in response to a story about the Civic Type R?

confused


Edit: sorry, I just got to the bit about where he shot 40000 elephants. The Honda link all makes sense now! Wait, no it doesn't.

Krikkit

26,577 posts

182 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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seefarr said:
Pierscoe1 said:
if it were really about the environment.... http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green...

/end-morning-rant.
You posted a link to a video about African deserts in response to a story about the Civic Type R?

confused


Edit: sorry, I just got to the bit about where he shot 40000 elephants. The Honda link all makes sense now! Wait, no it doesn't.
Not really fair to quote half a post and have a go - he makes a valid point.

beasto

323 posts

215 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Trouble is that Honda replaced the good-looking last-gen Civic Hatch with a grisly pos.

It's hard to believe that even a Type-R will turn the present sow's ear into a desirable silk purse.


russy01

4,693 posts

182 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Now I am not normally somebody to complain, BUT I was expecting some actual details on the Type R.

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

158 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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russy01 said:
Now I am not normally somebody to complain, BUT I was expecting some actual details on the Type R.
The detail maybe being that there are no details? Who knows.... PH certainly doesn't biggrin

otolith

56,361 posts

205 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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What is it really going to bring to the table that you can't already get? Nothing to get excited about, you can go out an buy a RenaultSport product today if you want a turbocharged hatch that's quick on the Nurburgring.

Complete indifference.

panholio

1,080 posts

149 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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What on earth is "the skinny"?

One of the worst articles on PH in a while.

Alex

9,975 posts

285 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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"So, the 2015 Type R formula is looking something like a turbo engine"

Can live with that, but will miss the VTEC.

"a dual-clutch gearbox"

Don't want.

"adaptive suspension"

Don't want.

"and a bloody great tea tray."

Yep, I'll have that.

Imafreeman

117 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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CraigyMc said:
It's "vtec".
"Vtech" is a brand of toy computer.

How do you propose storing the electricity to run the electric engine?

C
Ok pedant.

My point is about the delivery of the power is much nicer in a vtec or supercharged engine than a small capacity one with turbo.