Lib Dems 'to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2040'
Discussion
Stand by to bend over, chaps, here it comes... the first serious attempt by a UK mainstream political party to end the car era.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberalde...
In a nutshell...
"Nick Clegg’s party has unveiled proposals to only allow ultra-low carbon vehicles on UK roads by 2040.
"The controversial measures would mean millions of petrol and diesel cars being forbidden.
"Only electric vehicles and ultra-efficient hybrid cars would be allowed on UK roads under the Lib Dem plans.
"However, petrol and diesel vehicles would still be allowed for freight purposes.
"The plans will be voted on by members at the upcoming Lib Dem conference in Glasgow and could become party policy if approved."
Obviously the chances of an entirely Lib Dem government are highly remote, but if they continue to hold the balance of power in coalitions then this sort of thing could start to bleed over from the lunatic fringe to the mainstream of politics. Those of us who intend to operate petrol and diesel cars in the longer term may wish to start making contact with our MPs to ensure that our point of view is properly heard.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberalde...
In a nutshell...
"Nick Clegg’s party has unveiled proposals to only allow ultra-low carbon vehicles on UK roads by 2040.
"The controversial measures would mean millions of petrol and diesel cars being forbidden.
"Only electric vehicles and ultra-efficient hybrid cars would be allowed on UK roads under the Lib Dem plans.
"However, petrol and diesel vehicles would still be allowed for freight purposes.
"The plans will be voted on by members at the upcoming Lib Dem conference in Glasgow and could become party policy if approved."
Obviously the chances of an entirely Lib Dem government are highly remote, but if they continue to hold the balance of power in coalitions then this sort of thing could start to bleed over from the lunatic fringe to the mainstream of politics. Those of us who intend to operate petrol and diesel cars in the longer term may wish to start making contact with our MPs to ensure that our point of view is properly heard.
No, we'll just crate them up and sell them outside the EU, e.g. to Americans who will run them on either petrol or compressed natural gas (shale), or to buyers in other countries. Quite possibly some to Africa which by 2040 will be undergoing the sort of economic transformation that China has over the last 20 years, and may well be producing decent third-generation biofuels in some quantity.
Lowtimer said:
No, we'll just crate them up and sell them outside the EU, e.g. to Americans who will run them on either petrol or compressed natural gas (shale), or to buyers in other countries. Quite possibly some to Africa which by 2040 will be undergoing the sort of economic transformation that China has over the last 20 years, and may well be producing decent third-generation biofuels in some quantity.
Interesting - good points there.Lowtimer said:
Stand by to bend over, chaps, here it comes... the first serious attempt by a UK mainstream political party to end the car era.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberalde...
In a nutshell...
"Nick Clegg’s party has unveiled proposals to only allow ultra-low carbon vehicles on UK roads by 2040.
"The controversial measures would mean millions of petrol and diesel cars being forbidden.
"Only electric vehicles and ultra-efficient hybrid cars would be allowed on UK roads under the Lib Dem plans.
"However, petrol and diesel vehicles would still be allowed for freight purposes.
"The plans will be voted on by members at the upcoming Lib Dem conference in Glasgow and could become party policy if approved."
Obviously the chances of an entirely Lib Dem government are highly remote, but if they continue to hold the balance of power in coalitions then this sort of thing could start to bleed over from the lunatic fringe to the mainstream of politics. Those of us who intend to operate petrol and diesel cars in the longer term may wish to start making contact with our MPs to ensure that our point of view is properly heard.
Well, there's your first problem. Although referring to almost 25% of the public as "the lunatic fringe" is a bit misguided, current predictions are that they're going to get slaughtered in the next election. They're absolutely not going to be holding the balance of power for quite some time.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberalde...
In a nutshell...
"Nick Clegg’s party has unveiled proposals to only allow ultra-low carbon vehicles on UK roads by 2040.
"The controversial measures would mean millions of petrol and diesel cars being forbidden.
"Only electric vehicles and ultra-efficient hybrid cars would be allowed on UK roads under the Lib Dem plans.
"However, petrol and diesel vehicles would still be allowed for freight purposes.
"The plans will be voted on by members at the upcoming Lib Dem conference in Glasgow and could become party policy if approved."
Obviously the chances of an entirely Lib Dem government are highly remote, but if they continue to hold the balance of power in coalitions then this sort of thing could start to bleed over from the lunatic fringe to the mainstream of politics. Those of us who intend to operate petrol and diesel cars in the longer term may wish to start making contact with our MPs to ensure that our point of view is properly heard.
With one or two exceptions, Steve Webb fro example, they are without doubt the most stupid bunch that have sold every principle the held out to sit at the big table.
They will be lucky if they have any power at all after the coalition ends. We will still have a need for petrol cars in the future as there will still be no viable option by then to replace them, but other fuel will be used as well.
They will be lucky if they have any power at all after the coalition ends. We will still have a need for petrol cars in the future as there will still be no viable option by then to replace them, but other fuel will be used as well.
ts.Why do parties waste time on fantasy wet dream policies that will never happen when there are more important things happening in the present?
And don't say to get votes, I can't believe anyone would say "yes, I will vote for the Lib Dems in 2015 because 25 years later when they're still in power they might ban combustion vehicles if nothing has changed since 2013"
It's more realistic that once electric really takes off, it will simply undercut combustion. They won't need to ban combustion if it starts to die out naturally, why lose out on the tax?
And don't say to get votes, I can't believe anyone would say "yes, I will vote for the Lib Dems in 2015 because 25 years later when they're still in power they might ban combustion vehicles if nothing has changed since 2013"
It's more realistic that once electric really takes off, it will simply undercut combustion. They won't need to ban combustion if it starts to die out naturally, why lose out on the tax?
gdelargy said:
Well, there's your first problem. Although referring to almost 25% of the public as "the lunatic fringe" is a bit misguided, current predictions are that they're going to get slaughtered in the next election. They're absolutely not going to be holding the balance of power for quite some time.
For the record, I haven't referred to Lib Dem voters as the lunatic fringe, only Lib Dem members, and there are currently only about 42,000 of them, so more like 0.07% of the public.http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/07/lib-d...
And to be fair to them (which I suppose I ought to) they have the opportunity to disprove that provisional assessment by soundly rejecting this obviously lunatic proposal at their forthcoming conference. So let's see...
Edited by Lowtimer on Wednesday 7th August 18:42
storminnorman said:
It's more realistic that once electric really takes off, it will simply undercut combustion. They won't need to ban combustion if it starts to die out naturally, why lose out on the tax?
What makes you think they won't then find new ways of taxing you to replace the fuel duty? I am perhaps slightly cheating in saying that now, because I failed to point out earlier that the same Lib Dem policy document also calls for road pricing.
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