Two Aventadors revving and spitting flames in London
Discussion
I would imagine 99% of Aleem's customers are Pakistani or Indian just as around the same percent who own the corner shops where I live, its not racism its an observation, in the car trade I see a lot of Indian customer's who ask to see the V5 and won't buy if certain names are on the log book, is this racist?
There is a lot of speculation online it's a way to launder money but as I say, it's all speculation
There is a lot of speculation online it's a way to launder money but as I say, it's all speculation
andymc said:
I would imagine 99% of Aleem's customers are Pakistani or Indian just as around the same percent who own the corner shops where I live, its not racism its an observation,
"I would imagine" is can't be used in a sentence conjunctive with 'it's an observation' you'd have to explain why.An observation of the race of convenience store owners locally isn't racist imo.
andymc said:
in the car trade I see a lot of Indian customer's who ask to see the V5 and won't buy if certain names are on the log book, is this racist?
Way too much of a broad question, depends on the specifics as to whether they object to a typical name that would denote a race, if it was just a handful of names of those who had a reputation for buying and treating cars like s
t with no mechanical sympathy then of course not. This has all got blown out of proportion from a comment saying 'asian culture is to show off' imo.
topjay said:
I think the ownership is the trivial point, even at 1000+ weddings a year it seems unlikely that it could support that brand new fleet of big spec vehicles which is the interesting bit, even without the vat, unless the other costs are minimal and not a lot of tax is being paid you would imagine profits are marginal, but a nice way to own the cars if you could make them cut even.
Seems not impossible but unlikely and so makes you wonder how it is possible, look at every other hire company, or maybe Aleem is running the perfect business and its making loads of money and I'm missing a trick, in which case good luck to him.
I agree, I just can't believe a business like this with this many assets is not held in a complex corporate structure. As such I can't see the maths working otherwise. I would love to be proved wrong as I would genuinely love to this as my daily job, but every time I have done the maths and run the figures it just doesn't work without a substantive regular capital investment and limited borrowings, not to mention complex tax avoidance structures. I can't see that anything outside of a corporate structure would make it viable, but perhaps I am just too risk adverse. Lovely fleet of cars though ... and I wish them every success. Seems not impossible but unlikely and so makes you wonder how it is possible, look at every other hire company, or maybe Aleem is running the perfect business and its making loads of money and I'm missing a trick, in which case good luck to him.
andymc said:
I would imagine 99% of Aleem's customers are Pakistani or Indian just as around the same percent who own the corner shops where I live, its not racism its an observation, in the car trade I see a lot of Indian customer's who ask to see the V5 and won't buy if certain names are on the log book, is this racist?
There is a lot of speculation online it's a way to launder money but as I say, it's all speculation
Have you ever told them you observe they are 'Pakistani or Indian'? There is a lot of speculation online it's a way to launder money but as I say, it's all speculation
Personal opinions on this is similar to what I thought of 'tbops' the guy that posted on here about his 2 Ferrari Enzo, 2 Bugatti veyron, 2 phantoms and many other supercars, then got was caught money laundering and was a big time drug king pin.
I think Aleems fathers was originally involved in freud and money laundering that's how the business was grown and believe it too be un-suspected huge success.
If he was ever investigated it would be a long prison sentence, bit it would be timely and costly investigation.
There is some kind of easy freud/money making scheme in supercar renting, especially in Birmingham, a few minutes research will shows a lot of supercar hire place in Birmingham with young Asian owners.
Cash is King.
All just my opinions
I think Aleems fathers was originally involved in freud and money laundering that's how the business was grown and believe it too be un-suspected huge success.
If he was ever investigated it would be a long prison sentence, bit it would be timely and costly investigation.
There is some kind of easy freud/money making scheme in supercar renting, especially in Birmingham, a few minutes research will shows a lot of supercar hire place in Birmingham with young Asian owners.
Cash is King.
All just my opinions
Edited by masterL on Tuesday 22 April 23:39
masterL said:
Personal opinions on this is similar to 'tbops' the guy that posted on here about his 2 Ferrari Enzo, 2 Bugatti veyron, 2 phantoms and many other supercars, then got was caught money laundering and was a big time drug king pin.
I think Aleems fathers was originally involved in freud and money laundering that's how the business was grown and believe it too be un-suspected huge success.
If he was ever investigated it would be a long prison sentence, bit it would be timely and costly investigation.
There is some kind of easy freud/money making scheme in supercar renting, especially in Birmingham, a few minutes research will shows a lot of supercar hire place in Birmingham with young Asian owners.
Cash is King.
All just my opinions
That is not at all just an opinionI think Aleems fathers was originally involved in freud and money laundering that's how the business was grown and believe it too be un-suspected huge success.
If he was ever investigated it would be a long prison sentence, bit it would be timely and costly investigation.
There is some kind of easy freud/money making scheme in supercar renting, especially in Birmingham, a few minutes research will shows a lot of supercar hire place in Birmingham with young Asian owners.
Cash is King.
All just my opinions
Anyway Freud is big in Birmingham these days ?
pork911 said:
Have you ever told them you observe they are 'Pakistani or Indian'?
When Liverpool play Chelsea at the weekend, the players will be wearing red or blue. This is not to say that one cannot tell which team each player plays for. Can you stop trying to put words into peoples' mouths please and finding offense where (i hope) none was intended. Try commenting on cars for a change.
Jules360 said:
pork911 said:
Have you ever told them you observe they are 'Pakistani or Indian'?
When Liverpool play Chelsea at the weekend, the players will be wearing red or blue. This is not to say that one cannot tell which team each player plays for. Can you stop trying to put words into peoples' mouths please and finding offense where (i hope) none was intended. Try commenting on cars for a change.
Craigwww said:
But British culture has never been about that, as a proud nation that once pretty much ruled the world and who have achieved so much for such a small country, are defined by the deeds we do, not the cars we drive. Modesty, maturity, quiet confidence, and taste are qualities we aspire to, unlike many other cultures, especially Asian.
what I decipher is that Asians, or more accurately according to Craigwwww, Pakistani's are un-modest, un-mature, overly confident, and lack taste, now if that isn't derogatory, or xenophobic, then I do not know what is, so how one can accuse another of putting words in others' mouth's is beyond me. I guess I might be the minority here championing arcipluvian society.
Alas I shall disembark from this topic, play Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech on the radio gramophone whilst shouting "Up the EDL".
Bonne chance
Mr. Fox.
Mr fox said:
Jules360 said:
pork911 said:
Have you ever told them you observe they are 'Pakistani or Indian'?
When Liverpool play Chelsea at the weekend, the players will be wearing red or blue. This is not to say that one cannot tell which team each player plays for. Can you stop trying to put words into peoples' mouths please and finding offense where (i hope) none was intended. Try commenting on cars for a change.
Craigwww said:
But British culture has never been about that, as a proud nation that once pretty much ruled the world and who have achieved so much for such a small country, are defined by the deeds we do, not the cars we drive. Modesty, maturity, quiet confidence, and taste are qualities we aspire to, unlike many other cultures, especially Asian.
what I decipher is that Asians, or more accurately according to Craigwwww, Pakistani's are un-modest, un-mature, overly confident, and lack taste, now if that isn't derogatory, or xenophobic, then I do not know what is, so how one can accuse another of putting words in others' mouth's is beyond me. I guess I might be the minority here championing arcipluvian society.
Alas I shall disembark from this topic, play Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech on the radio gramophone whilst shouting "Up the EDL".
Bonne chance
Mr. Fox.
Jules360 said:
pork911 said:
Have you ever told them you observe they are 'Pakistani or Indian'?
When Liverpool play Chelsea at the weekend, the players will be wearing red or blue. This is not to say that one cannot tell which team each player plays for. Can you stop trying to put words into peoples' mouths please and finding offense where (i hope) none was intended. Try commenting on cars for a change.
I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth.
Talk of cars requires corner shop drivel?
No offence intended is a poor excuse, especially when you are assuming it for someone else.
pork911 said:
masterL said:
Personal opinions on this is similar to 'tbops' the guy that posted on here about his 2 Ferrari Enzo, 2 Bugatti veyron, 2 phantoms and many other supercars, then got was caught money laundering and was a big time drug king pin.
I think Aleems fathers was originally involved in freud and money laundering that's how the business was grown and believe it too be un-suspected huge success.
If he was ever investigated it would be a long prison sentence, bit it would be timely and costly investigation.
There is some kind of easy freud/money making scheme in supercar renting, especially in Birmingham, a few minutes research will shows a lot of supercar hire place in Birmingham with young Asian owners.
Cash is King.
All just my opinions
That is not at all just an opinionI think Aleems fathers was originally involved in freud and money laundering that's how the business was grown and believe it too be un-suspected huge success.
If he was ever investigated it would be a long prison sentence, bit it would be timely and costly investigation.
There is some kind of easy freud/money making scheme in supercar renting, especially in Birmingham, a few minutes research will shows a lot of supercar hire place in Birmingham with young Asian owners.
Cash is King.
All just my opinions
Anyway Freud is big in Birmingham these days ?
Try5t said:
As such I can't see the maths working otherwise. I would love to be proved wrong as I would genuinely love to this as my daily job, but every time I have done the maths and run the figures it just doesn't work without a substantive regular capital investment and limited borrowings, not to mention complex tax avoidance structures.
Some small business owner can correct me if I'm wrong, but could the cars not be written off as depreciable assets pretty quickly, so that the companies tax bill would be negligible? (a la Starbucks and all). Then the hiring costs would go to purely paying for the cars and costs, without having to worry about VAT. Mr fox said:
Craigwww said:
But British culture has never been about that, as a proud nation that once pretty much ruled the world and who have achieved so much for such a small country, are defined by the deeds we do, not the cars we drive. Modesty, maturity, quiet confidence, and taste are qualities we aspire to, unlike many other cultures, especially Asian.
what I decipher is that Asians, or more accurately according to Craigwwww, Pakistani's are un-modest, un-mature, overly confident, and lack taste, now if that isn't derogatory, or xenophobic, then I do not know what is, so how one can accuse another of putting words in others' mouth's is beyond me. I guess I might be the minority here championing arcipluvian society.
You see this with most other cultures, like American, Arab, and Canadian as well, as British culture is typically reserved. I think it's more an issue that a lot of non-British cultures are more worried about their wealth image. Go some place like LA or the UAE, and there is a lot of "flashness" on show, even though most of it is on credit/ fake. For whatever reason, 2nd/3rd gen Pakistani/Indian (of which there are a lot in places like Birmingham) seem to have a culture of being quite "flash". But British culture has never been about that, as a proud nation that once pretty much ruled the world and who have achieved so much for such a small country, are defined by the deeds we do, not the cars we drive. Modesty, maturity, quiet confidence, and taste are qualities we aspire to, unlike many other cultures, especially Asian.
what I decipher is that Asians, or more accurately according to Craigwwww, Pakistani's are un-modest, un-mature, overly confident, and lack taste, now if that isn't derogatory, or xenophobic, then I do not know what is, so how one can accuse another of putting words in others' mouth's is beyond me. I guess I might be the minority here championing arcipluvian society.
gwm said:
Try5t said:
As such I can't see the maths working otherwise. I would love to be proved wrong as I would genuinely love to this as my daily job, but every time I have done the maths and run the figures it just doesn't work without a substantive regular capital investment and limited borrowings, not to mention complex tax avoidance structures.
Some small business owner can correct me if I'm wrong, but could the cars not be written off as depreciable assets pretty quickly, so that the companies tax bill would be negligible? (a la Starbucks and all). Then the hiring costs would go to purely paying for the cars and costs, without having to worry about VAT. Mr fox said:
Craigwww said:
But British culture has never been about that, as a proud nation that once pretty much ruled the world and who have achieved so much for such a small country, are defined by the deeds we do, not the cars we drive. Modesty, maturity, quiet confidence, and taste are qualities we aspire to, unlike many other cultures, especially Asian.
what I decipher is that Asians, or more accurately according to Craigwwww, Pakistani's are un-modest, un-mature, overly confident, and lack taste, now if that isn't derogatory, or xenophobic, then I do not know what is, so how one can accuse another of putting words in others' mouth's is beyond me. I guess I might be the minority here championing arcipluvian society.
You see this with most other cultures, like American, Arab, and Canadian as well, as British culture is typically reserved. I think it's more an issue that a lot of non-British cultures are more worried about their wealth image. Go some place like LA or the UAE, and there is a lot of "flashness" on show, even though most of it is on credit/ fake. For whatever reason, 2nd/3rd gen Pakistani/Indian (of which there are a lot in places like Birmingham) seem to have a culture of being quite "flash". But British culture has never been about that, as a proud nation that once pretty much ruled the world and who have achieved so much for such a small country, are defined by the deeds we do, not the cars we drive. Modesty, maturity, quiet confidence, and taste are qualities we aspire to, unlike many other cultures, especially Asian.
what I decipher is that Asians, or more accurately according to Craigwwww, Pakistani's are un-modest, un-mature, overly confident, and lack taste, now if that isn't derogatory, or xenophobic, then I do not know what is, so how one can accuse another of putting words in others' mouth's is beyond me. I guess I might be the minority here championing arcipluvian society.
It is not very often I post on PH, but this thread 
Yes I agree not my thing revving the nuts of an Aventador in Knightsbridge would far rather go enjoy on a track or a brisk run out.
But, what exactly has he done wrong, as far as I can see he did not even break the speed limit, maybe deafened a few people. The car paps were encouraging it and yes showing of but who has not in their lifetime at some point.
The real reason I felt compelled to post as I hardly do on here due to some of the content spouted, was the point about ownership.
I am Asian, hindu to be precise born here after my parents had to flee East Africa due to Idi Amin.
Now my father worked hard, he actually gained his medical degree in the 1950's from Birmingham University. He always provided for his family my mum, me and my sister.
When he purchased a nice car he decided to indulge himself a little and adorn it with a number plate all them years ago. These were his children's initials we both have the same. Why because he loved us and was proud of his family.
When I received my driving license yeah I could take my dad's Mercedes out but I knew it was his, but he always said its ours to enjoy.
Now I lost my father last year, and now I take up the mantle of looking after the family, it's just that way in tight knit Asian families and so what, we are all the better for it. My mother does not have to worry at all, I always uphold the legacy of my father.
My GTR has the number plate my dad had on his car so if my sister took it out and said it was her's I have no problem in that at all, even though I technically own it.
Further to that I purchased a X5 had my name on the logbook but it was for my father and I rarely drove it. Did I care no, because it is ours to enjoy.
Some "green eyed envy" on this thread and that's all it is, dress it up whichever way you want, go for the technicalities just to be little what is a normal process in families from this background.
Yes I agree not my thing revving the nuts of an Aventador in Knightsbridge would far rather go enjoy on a track or a brisk run out.
But, what exactly has he done wrong, as far as I can see he did not even break the speed limit, maybe deafened a few people. The car paps were encouraging it and yes showing of but who has not in their lifetime at some point.
The real reason I felt compelled to post as I hardly do on here due to some of the content spouted, was the point about ownership.
I am Asian, hindu to be precise born here after my parents had to flee East Africa due to Idi Amin.
Now my father worked hard, he actually gained his medical degree in the 1950's from Birmingham University. He always provided for his family my mum, me and my sister.
When he purchased a nice car he decided to indulge himself a little and adorn it with a number plate all them years ago. These were his children's initials we both have the same. Why because he loved us and was proud of his family.
When I received my driving license yeah I could take my dad's Mercedes out but I knew it was his, but he always said its ours to enjoy.
Now I lost my father last year, and now I take up the mantle of looking after the family, it's just that way in tight knit Asian families and so what, we are all the better for it. My mother does not have to worry at all, I always uphold the legacy of my father.
My GTR has the number plate my dad had on his car so if my sister took it out and said it was her's I have no problem in that at all, even though I technically own it.
Further to that I purchased a X5 had my name on the logbook but it was for my father and I rarely drove it. Did I care no, because it is ours to enjoy.
Some "green eyed envy" on this thread and that's all it is, dress it up whichever way you want, go for the technicalities just to be little what is a normal process in families from this background.
Edited by RJJ on Wednesday 23 April 13:52
AB said:
I'm on Instagram, I follow my friends and they follow me.
I have no desire to boast and to try and big myself up to strangers.
It's mostly my dogs and interesting/strange things I spot.
I don't understand the whole idea of the more followers you have, the better you think you are. Why do you want loads of people you don't know or haven't met knowing your daily movements?
Because your voice becomes louder and more heard. Social marketing 101.I have no desire to boast and to try and big myself up to strangers.
It's mostly my dogs and interesting/strange things I spot.
I don't understand the whole idea of the more followers you have, the better you think you are. Why do you want loads of people you don't know or haven't met knowing your daily movements?
Sarnie said:
^^This is peoples problem.
Lord Aleem is telling people on the net that they are HIS.
He's not saying on you tube "to all intents and purposes they might as well be mine".
He's saying that he's a 19 year old kid "On his way to pick up HIS second Aventador" etc.
Which is a complete lie. When my Dad buys a new car, I don't post a pic on PH saying it's mine, with an invisible caveat that it'll be mine when my Dad dies and I inherit it, therefore on a "technicality" I can claim it to be mine.
That's just splitting hairs. You do know that most court cases are aren't subject to technicalities (as seen in the movies) because one of the tokes of a judge is to see through technicalities. Possession being nine tenths of the law and all that?Lord Aleem is telling people on the net that they are HIS.
He's not saying on you tube "to all intents and purposes they might as well be mine".
He's saying that he's a 19 year old kid "On his way to pick up HIS second Aventador" etc.
Which is a complete lie. When my Dad buys a new car, I don't post a pic on PH saying it's mine, with an invisible caveat that it'll be mine when my Dad dies and I inherit it, therefore on a "technicality" I can claim it to be mine.
RJJ said:
It is not very often I post on PH, but this thread
Yes I agree not my thing revving the nuts of an Aventador in Knightsbridge would far rather go enjoy on a track or a brisk run out.
But, what exactly has he done wrong, as far as I can see he did not even break the speed limit, maybe deafened a few people. The car paps were encouraging it and yes showing of but who has not in their lifetime at some point.
The real reason I felt compelled to post as I hardly do on here due to some of the content spouted, was the point about ownership.
I am Asian, hindu to be precise born here after my parents had to flee East Africa due to Idi Amin.
Now my father worked hard, he actually gained his medical degree in the 1950's from Birmingham University. He always provided for his family my mum, me and my sister.
When he purchased a nice car he decided to indulge himself a little and adorn it with a number plate all them years ago. These were his children's initials we both have the same. Why because he loved us and was proud of his family.
When I received my driving license yeah I could take my dad's Mercedes out but I knew it was his, but he always said its ours to enjoy.
Now I lost my father last year, and now I take up the mantle of looking after the family, it's just that way in tight knit Asian families and so what, we are all the better for it. My mother does not have to worry at all, I always uphold the legacy of my father.
My GTR has the number plate my dad had on his car so if my sister took it out and said it was her's I have no problem in that at all, even though I technically own it.
Further to that I purchased a X5 had my name on the logbook but it was for my father and I rarely drove it. Did I care no, because it is ours to enjoy.
Some "green eyed envy" on this thread and that's all it is, dress it up whichever way you want, go for the technicalities just to be little what is a normal process in families from this background.
I think most people would agree with the ethos of that, but in reality uk law and taxes and most of the Anglosphere are based on personal property not community or family property, it just a cultural difference. Yes I agree not my thing revving the nuts of an Aventador in Knightsbridge would far rather go enjoy on a track or a brisk run out.
But, what exactly has he done wrong, as far as I can see he did not even break the speed limit, maybe deafened a few people. The car paps were encouraging it and yes showing of but who has not in their lifetime at some point.
The real reason I felt compelled to post as I hardly do on here due to some of the content spouted, was the point about ownership.
I am Asian, hindu to be precise born here after my parents had to flee East Africa due to Idi Amin.
Now my father worked hard, he actually gained his medical degree in the 1950's from Birmingham University. He always provided for his family my mum, me and my sister.
When he purchased a nice car he decided to indulge himself a little and adorn it with a number plate all them years ago. These were his children's initials we both have the same. Why because he loved us and was proud of his family.
When I received my driving license yeah I could take my dad's Mercedes out but I knew it was his, but he always said its ours to enjoy.
Now I lost my father last year, and now I take up the mantle of looking after the family, it's just that way in tight knit Asian families and so what, we are all the better for it. My mother does not have to worry at all, I always uphold the legacy of my father.
My GTR has the number plate my dad had on his car so if my sister took it out and said it was her's I have no problem in that at all, even though I technically own it.
Further to that I purchased a X5 had my name on the logbook but it was for my father and I rarely drove it. Did I care no, because it is ours to enjoy.
Some "green eyed envy" on this thread and that's all it is, dress it up whichever way you want, go for the technicalities just to be little what is a normal process in families from this background.
Edited by RJJ on Wednesday 23 April 13:52
The concept of guaranteed inheritance and family assets that exists in some places just doesn't apply here even if people believe in it, nice as it would be, there is a big tax bill or should his father choose for any reason at all to disinherit him or leave things to another sibling or anyone else, he has no recourse or rights to anything. That is why people are getting narky about saying his fathers or family property is his, as in reality it's just not the case (yet) technicality or not.
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