Prospective 991 GT3 RS Owners discussion forum.
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robgt3 said:
Thing is though all the RS's are sold . As in for the seeable future.
But Autocar are claiming that it will be a 'mainstream' model, so presumably available in much higher numbers?(And if it is not available in higher numbers, what does calling it a 'mainstream' model actually mean?!)
Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 26th May 12:03
sidicks said:
But Autocar are claiming that it will be a 'mainstream' model, so presumably available in much higher numbers?
(And if it is not available in higher numbers, what does calling it a 'mainstream' model actually mean?!)
(And if it is not available in higher numbers, what does calling it a 'mainstream' model actually mean?!)
Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 26th May 12:03
Well, its a general production car without a specific limit, (unlike the 997 4.0 with an announced limits of 600).
At a guess it will be similar to its predecessors, 997.1 and 997.2 with about 2000 produced.
RDMcG said:
Well, its a general production car without a specific limit, (unlike the 997 4.0 with an announced limits of 600).
At a guess it will be similar to its predecessors, 997.1 and 997.2 with about 2000 produced.
So no production limit but you can't get one as they are all sold out...?.!At a guess it will be similar to its predecessors, 997.1 and 997.2 with about 2000 produced.
sidicks said:
So no production limit but you can't get one as they are all sold out...?.!
It's great isn't it; all this speculation. At this moment in time I cannot imagine another car being as capable in every respect as our GT3. Drove from Hereford to Glasgow one day a couple of weeks ago. No problem whatsoever, car easily accommodated our luggage and ate up the miles in total comfort . Even did 25MPG! Not that I am supposed to check. From then on with a splendid group of friends it did what it does best, devoured roads! Simply, the best car that I have ever owned!sidicks said:
So no production limit but you can't get one as they are all sold out...?.!
There is a second allocation coming. I think the real issue is slotting in the production. The 992 will be in production in September and the RS is not that important to Porsche in terms of volume. However, typically its around 2000. There are certainly lots of deposits down as usual though.I know people who have deposits down for cars that may not happen like the 991 GT2RS for instance, or the 960. Nobody has a clue of they will ever show up. I put down the money for the 991RS ( not a lot) almost two years ago. The problems with the GT3 engine production pushed everything was back, which is why the RS will be built interspersed with the 992 production. (they are not on a separate production line).
Some people have money down on a manual car also. My guess is that there will be one, but no insider info.
robgt3 said:
Autocar have stated that the RS will become a mainstream model whereas the GT3 is a limited run model only. I suppose therefore it would be fair to say when the all the ballyhoo of the RS dies down the GT3 like the 4litre 997RS will not only hold its value but continue to rise due to its scarcity.
keep on believing that if you wish. When all is done and dusted there will likely be 2x the 991 GT3s worldwide than 991 RS (~3.8k vs ~2k) and the RS is always the better car than the gt3. this whole nonsense of gt3 for the road and track and rs for the track mainly but ok on the road is total tosh ever since the 997 gt3.
Sandy59 said:
Kind of agree with that, although I do remember similar comments about the 997.2 re the Halfords wing and OTT decals, which at least were a delete option I think.
I'm sure we'll see some decal offerings from the States in due course if not from Porsche, I guess the roof & bonnet would be a natural choice for a stripe of some kind.
Bring it on - I love a leary stripe , me ! I'm sure we'll see some decal offerings from the States in due course if not from Porsche, I guess the roof & bonnet would be a natural choice for a stripe of some kind.
RDMcG said:
I know people who have deposits down for cars that may not happen like the 991 GT2RS for instance, or the 960. Nobody has a clue of they will ever show up. I put down the money for the 991RS ( not a lot) almost two years ago. The problems with the GT3 engine production pushed everything was back, which is why the RS will be built interspersed with the 992 production. (they are not on a separate production line).
Some people have money down on a manual car also. My guess is that there will be one, but no insider info.
Letters of Self Importance and the deposit are an utter waste of time. It's not as simple as that.Some people have money down on a manual car also. My guess is that there will be one, but no insider info.
Good relationship with your OPC is far more likely to bag you a car. They need numbers, throughout the model range. The swivel eyed. Martini clad brigade who state they have LOI's in for the 999 Super Dooper edition, would have been better off saving their printer ink.
By that I mean no flipping, always sell your car back to the OPC without being too precious on maximising your margin, buy a series of cooking models and take the hit and avoid simply purchasing the 'halo' cars from your OPC.
If you decide to flip, be prepared to never see another halo car from your OPC again.
Robbo66 said:
Letters of Self Importance and the deposit are an utter waste of time. It's not as simple as that.
Good relationship with your OPC is far more likely to bag you a car. They need numbers, throughout the model range. The swivel eyed. Martini clad brigade who state they have LOI's in for the 999 Super Dooper edition, would have been better off saving their printer ink.
By that I mean no flipping, always sell your car back to the OPC without being too precious on maximising your margin, buy a series of cooking models and take the hit and avoid simply purchasing the 'halo' cars from your OPC.
If you decide to flip, be prepared to never see another halo car from your OPC again.
I agree with nearly every word of that and of course there are always going to be a contingent of those, who will not get a car. Still, I know a number who are neither flippers nor "do you know who I am" types who do have deposits down. I am certainly aware that the process of allocation to customers is not a first-come first served. Another bad idea is having deposits at multiple dealers. However, I do think that,even with a good solid relationship, you need to be on the list and have some kine of modest deposit to get the process going.Good relationship with your OPC is far more likely to bag you a car. They need numbers, throughout the model range. The swivel eyed. Martini clad brigade who state they have LOI's in for the 999 Super Dooper edition, would have been better off saving their printer ink.
By that I mean no flipping, always sell your car back to the OPC without being too precious on maximising your margin, buy a series of cooking models and take the hit and avoid simply purchasing the 'halo' cars from your OPC.
If you decide to flip, be prepared to never see another halo car from your OPC again.
RSVP911 said:
Sandy59 said:
Kind of agree with that, although I do remember similar comments about the 997.2 re the Halfords wing and OTT decals, which at least were a delete option I think.
I'm sure we'll see some decal offerings from the States in due course if not from Porsche, I guess the roof & bonnet would be a natural choice for a stripe of some kind.
Bring it on - I love a leary stripe , me ! I'm sure we'll see some decal offerings from the States in due course if not from Porsche, I guess the roof & bonnet would be a natural choice for a stripe of some kind.
RDMcG said:
I agree with nearly every word of that and of course there are always going to be a contingent of those, who will not get a car. Still, I know a number who are neither flippers nor "do you know who I am" types who do have deposits down. I am certainly aware that the process of allocation to customers is not a first-come first served. Another bad idea is having deposits at multiple dealers. However, I do think that,even with a good solid relationship, you need to be on the list and have some kine of modest deposit to get the process going.
Dealers are 'dealing' on 'overs' now. They look at the bigger picture, rather than in essence writing you a £50k cheque. They want some of it, and I can understand that actually, now their supplier has created this scenario. It's not first come any more as you rightly state. If you're seen to be a broader client, Cayman for the wife, 911 as daily driver, yearly change etc....you'll be coveted far more than Halo LOI man, however nice he is.
RDMcG said:
I agree with nearly every word of that and of course there are always going to be a contingent of those, who will not get a car. Still, I know a number who are neither flippers nor "do you know who I am" types who do have deposits down. I am certainly aware that the process of allocation to customers is not a first-come first served. Another bad idea is having deposits at multiple dealers. However, I do think that,even with a good solid relationship, you need to be on the list and have some kine of modest deposit to get the process going.
That is a statement from someone who fully understands the process. The only problem now is that even us long-term top of the queue buyers are coming under more pressure from up and coming big hitters. The sort of buyers who are now simply taking one of everything doing no mileage in any of them and selling them back into the market through the OPC they got them from. These guys are extremely difficult if not impossible for even the reasonably wealthy Porsche enthusiast to compete with. Its going to get even more difficult to get GT cars going forward unless you have for filled the 10 GT commandments;-1) A reasonably long history of Porsche ownership.(10 years + is handy)
2) Always return the car to the dealer for sale/trade in. Never ever sell it privately.
3) Get your servicing and spares from that same OPC.
4) Minimal complaints or unnecessary agro with the OPC.
5) Ideally buy your wife a Turbo Cab from the same OPC
6) New for 2015 buy a least a Cayenne or Panamera every two years.
7) Visit all launches
8) Post glowing reviews of your OPC on the Porsche on line feedback site.
9) Become personal friends with the Centre Principle.
10) Yes its still worth getting in a letter of intent and yes deposits while officially not possible on a car that is not announced are in fact still achievable.
With a bit of luck you might then be allowed to spend £160,000 on a 991 GT3RS yes it helps if you look like you are going to over spec the car or have a history of doing so.
Bear in mind there will be some exceptions to above but I believe most of this is needed.
At least it does mean that a life long BMW M3 man cannot nick one of our cars without having done his time unless of course he pays a premium from a Car Trader who got a GT3RS from a 918 owner who didn`t want his and sold it on.
GR GT2RS said:
That is a statement from someone who fully understands the process. The only problem now is that even us long-term top of the queue buyers are coming under more pressure from up and coming big hitters. The sort of buyers who are now simply taking one of everything doing no mileage in any of them and selling them back into the market through the OPC they got them from. These guys are extremely difficult if not impossible for even the reasonably wealthy Porsche enthusiast to compete with. Its going to get even more difficult to get GT cars going forward unless you have for filled the 10 GT commandments;-
1) A reasonably long history of Porsche ownership.(10 years + is handy)
2) Always return the car to the dealer for sale/trade in. Never ever sell it privately.
3) Get your servicing and spares from that same OPC.
4) Minimal complaints or unnecessary agro with the OPC.
5) Ideally buy your wife a Turbo Cab from the same OPC
6) New for 2015 buy a least a Cayenne or Panamera every two years.
7) Visit all launches
8) Post glowing reviews of your OPC on the Porsche on line feedback site.
9) Become personal friends with the Centre Principle.
10) Yes its still worth getting in a letter of intent and yes deposits while officially not possible on a car that is not announced are in fact still achievable.
With a bit of luck you might then be allowed to spend £160,000 on a 991 GT3RS yes it helps if you look like you are going to over spec the car or have a history of doing so.
Bear in mind there will be some exceptions to above but I believe most of this is needed.
At least it does mean that a life long BMW M3 man cannot nick one of our cars without having done his time unless of course he pays a premium from a Car Trader who got a GT3RS from a 918 owner who didn`t want his and sold it on.
So we agree on everything...apart from No 10 then. 1) A reasonably long history of Porsche ownership.(10 years + is handy)
2) Always return the car to the dealer for sale/trade in. Never ever sell it privately.
3) Get your servicing and spares from that same OPC.
4) Minimal complaints or unnecessary agro with the OPC.
5) Ideally buy your wife a Turbo Cab from the same OPC
6) New for 2015 buy a least a Cayenne or Panamera every two years.
7) Visit all launches
8) Post glowing reviews of your OPC on the Porsche on line feedback site.
9) Become personal friends with the Centre Principle.
10) Yes its still worth getting in a letter of intent and yes deposits while officially not possible on a car that is not announced are in fact still achievable.
With a bit of luck you might then be allowed to spend £160,000 on a 991 GT3RS yes it helps if you look like you are going to over spec the car or have a history of doing so.
Bear in mind there will be some exceptions to above but I believe most of this is needed.
At least it does mean that a life long BMW M3 man cannot nick one of our cars without having done his time unless of course he pays a premium from a Car Trader who got a GT3RS from a 918 owner who didn`t want his and sold it on.
Robbo66 said:
So we agree on everything...apart from No 10 then.
Sorry Robbo 66 I realise its you who too has it figured out. No.10 is of use mainly to the OPC as the letter of intent is something they can wave around if another less worthy in their eyes potential purchaser wants to know why one person got the car rather than another. If they have a letter of intent on file from say two years before they can use that if they want to to justify your selection. Or bin it if they don`t want you. So you are right its no use if you don`t for fill all the other criteria but it has some use in certain circumstances.like a number of RS investors many cars may never even be driven by the owners there are some that the owners have never even seen !just stored a new world has arrived..
but a story of development , RWS and PDK with wide track and huge rubber it is now a long way from is roots and very impressive
but a story of development , RWS and PDK with wide track and huge rubber it is now a long way from is roots and very impressive
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