Vixen S3 for sale
Discussion
foxdog said:
Looks like a really nice preservation class car hard to find with the tradition of upgrading adding and modifying that a lot of TVR owners have done over the yearsHope it finds a really good home.
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foxdog said:
It has to be said it looked nicer last month when sold at Brightwells for 11kthegamekeeper said:
foxdog said:
It has to be said it looked nicer last month when sold at Brightwells for 11kpridaux said:
And there will be more
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It may just be the colour scheme or the general pattination of the freshly applied hammerite but it looks sA
t to me. The grill wire is particularly hideous.It must be nice though as the owner has a family.
Single owners are just dirty b
ds aren't they !!N.
Edited by heightswitch on Wednesday 28th August 07:54
Why when a car comes up for sale do we have to tear it to pieces and say why we don't like it etc the car is what it is a Vixen S3 with one ownership since new and any potential byer will be able to verify this from the DVLA before buying if it really is an original car and not Triggers Broom like many examples then it is worth whatever someone will pay.
Obviously I don't have the experience of most on here and have been very lucky in getting cars that have been restored by the right people and I do think that is the key when looking for a car that has been restored against a car the that has been in constant ownership.
Would I pay top money for a car at this point I rebuilt myself NO as I don't YET have the skills to do it properly however would I pay 20k plus for one built by Neil or Adrian or David Gerald or Steve or other good restorers you can bet your bottom dollar I would.
We see that in other marks you can get an E Type Roadster fully restored for 50k sometimes however try finding one restored by the right people for that money sometime even unrestored E types fetch more than 50k.
Provenance is so important and now that TVRs are hitting much higher prices than say 5 years ago this has even more importance.
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Obviously I don't have the experience of most on here and have been very lucky in getting cars that have been restored by the right people and I do think that is the key when looking for a car that has been restored against a car the that has been in constant ownership.
Would I pay top money for a car at this point I rebuilt myself NO as I don't YET have the skills to do it properly however would I pay 20k plus for one built by Neil or Adrian or David Gerald or Steve or other good restorers you can bet your bottom dollar I would.
We see that in other marks you can get an E Type Roadster fully restored for 50k sometimes however try finding one restored by the right people for that money sometime even unrestored E types fetch more than 50k.
Provenance is so important and now that TVRs are hitting much higher prices than say 5 years ago this has even more importance.
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I posted this back in June when it was entered into my local auction house. The seller had previously offered it to me and it is a very nice, honest car, exactly as described. It had been resprayed a few years back but everything else had just been maintained really well from new. It was a bargain at £11k when sold at Brightwells, I thought it would have fetched closer to £15k. Good that bargains are still to be had eh!
Moto said:
I posted this back in June when it was entered into my local auction house. The seller had previously offered it to me and it is a very nice, honest car, exactly as described. It had been resprayed a few years back but everything else had just been maintained really well from new. It was a bargain at £11k when sold at Brightwells, I thought it would have fetched closer to £15k. Good that bargains are still to be had eh!
Yes SteveInteresting I guess that is what they will eventually sell her for once she has been in stock too long and worth every penny as you say Steve I guess with Premium they are into her for 12k everyone had the chance at auction they took the chance.
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pridaux said:
Why when a car comes up for sale do we have to tear it to pieces and say why we don't like it etc the car is what it is a Vixen S3 with one ownership since new and any potential byer will be able to verify this from the DVLA before buying if it really is an original car and not Triggers Broom like many examples then it is worth whatever someone will pay.
Obviously I don't have the experience of most on here and have been very lucky in getting cars that have been restored by the right people and I do think that is the key when looking for a car that has been restored against a car the that has been in constant ownership.
Would I pay top money for a car at this point I rebuilt myself NO as I don't YET have the skills to do it properly however would I pay 20k plus for one built by Neil or Adrian or David Gerald or Steve or other good restorers you can bet your bottom dollar I would.
We see that in other marks you can get an E Type Roadster fully restored for 50k sometimes however try finding one restored by the right people for that money sometime even unrestored E types fetch more than 50k.
Provenance is so important and now that TVRs are hitting much higher prices than say 5 years ago this has even more importance. over
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Course we have to tear it to pieces wheres the fun otherwise... Obviously I don't have the experience of most on here and have been very lucky in getting cars that have been restored by the right people and I do think that is the key when looking for a car that has been restored against a car the that has been in constant ownership.
Would I pay top money for a car at this point I rebuilt myself NO as I don't YET have the skills to do it properly however would I pay 20k plus for one built by Neil or Adrian or David Gerald or Steve or other good restorers you can bet your bottom dollar I would.
We see that in other marks you can get an E Type Roadster fully restored for 50k sometimes however try finding one restored by the right people for that money sometime even unrestored E types fetch more than 50k.
Provenance is so important and now that TVRs are hitting much higher prices than say 5 years ago this has even more importance.
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what annoys me though is this continuous stream of cars being advertised at higher and higher prices which then becomes the benchmark for the next charlatan to beat.
people restoring or adding calue to cars are one thing.
2nd hand car dealers looking to buy and wash and add 5 or 6 k to the price are another altogether.
This mentality and also the internet is killing classic cars for the few specialists and enthusiasts that have invested years of time in the cars. and also the working class "normal" man who always aspired to own a working class mans sports car.
Again..I have 10 years invested in a completely non original car. It is worth what it is worth to me. Its value in the marketplace is totally matterless to me. You cannot even begin to quantify the value of the first trouble free lap of Ty croes after a 10 plus year build and the blood sweat and tears that went with it
The irk is that other dealers are comparing aquired fodder with the enthusiast owned cars.....Neils car is worth X so my car must be worth X as well..That is the bit that annoys.
I am sure the specialists who constantly get the e-mail enquirys from the new owners who don't get the back up from the dealer they bought the car off also feel in a similar way....Can I pick your brains please for the info then I will go on e-bay to save a few pennies types.
I genuinely now could not afford to buy an old TVR..its only the fact that I bought them when they were considered to be undesireable plastic pigs made in Blackpool that allows me to own one know.
The fact is that fewer and fewer enthusiasts own the cars out of pure love, MOST have an eye to value and making money. Its an attitude that is bringing our country slowly to its knees.
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vixen1700 said:
It does seem like an excessive mark-up from the auction result. Or is that the norm? 
so after auction fee's it's about 12k ish........plus a wash, transportation, wee fettle, minimal turn around ready for sale say £1k.......so 13k......up for sale at 20k........someone negotiates 18.5 / 19k......that's 5.5k / 6k marginwhich is roughly the margin some the TVR dealers work too
TVR's, especially these early ones are going up in price........fact!
gmw9666 said:
so after auction fee's it's about 12k ish........plus a wash, transportation, wee fettle, minimal turn around ready for sale say £1k.......so 13k......up for sale at 20k........someone negotiates 18.5 / 19k......that's 5.5k / 6k margin
which is roughly the margin some the TVR dealers work too
TVR's, especially these early ones are going up in price........fact!
Yeah, see your point. which is roughly the margin some the TVR dealers work too
TVR's, especially these early ones are going up in price........fact!
heightswitch said:
Course we have to tear it to pieces wheres the fun otherwise...
what annoys me though is this continuous stream of cars being advertised at higher and higher prices which then becomes the benchmark for the next charlatan to beat.
people restoring or adding calue to cars are one thing.
2nd hand car dealers looking to buy and wash and add 5 or 6 k to the price are another altogether.
This mentality and also the internet is killing classic cars for the few specialists and enthusiasts that have invested years of time in the cars. and also the working class "normal" man who always aspired to own a working class mans sports car.
Again..I have 10 years invested in a completely non original car. It is worth what it is worth to me. Its value in the marketplace is totally matterless to me. You cannot even begin to quantify the value of the first trouble free lap of Ty croes after a 10 plus year build and the blood sweat and tears that went with it
The irk is that other dealers are comparing aquired fodder with the enthusiast owned cars.....Neils car is worth X so my car must be worth X as well..That is the bit that annoys.
I am sure the specialists who constantly get the e-mail enquirys from the new owners who don't get the back up from the dealer they bought the car off also feel in a similar way....Can I pick your brains please for the info then I will go on e-bay to save a few pennies types.
I genuinely now could not afford to buy an old TVR..its only the fact that I bought them when they were considered to be undesireable plastic pigs made in Blackpool that allows me to own one know.
The fact is that fewer and fewer enthusiasts own the cars out of pure love, MOST have an eye to value and making money. Its an attitude that is bringing our country slowly to its knees.
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Niel what annoys me though is this continuous stream of cars being advertised at higher and higher prices which then becomes the benchmark for the next charlatan to beat.
people restoring or adding calue to cars are one thing.
2nd hand car dealers looking to buy and wash and add 5 or 6 k to the price are another altogether.
This mentality and also the internet is killing classic cars for the few specialists and enthusiasts that have invested years of time in the cars. and also the working class "normal" man who always aspired to own a working class mans sports car.
Again..I have 10 years invested in a completely non original car. It is worth what it is worth to me. Its value in the marketplace is totally matterless to me. You cannot even begin to quantify the value of the first trouble free lap of Ty croes after a 10 plus year build and the blood sweat and tears that went with it
The irk is that other dealers are comparing aquired fodder with the enthusiast owned cars.....Neils car is worth X so my car must be worth X as well..That is the bit that annoys.
I am sure the specialists who constantly get the e-mail enquirys from the new owners who don't get the back up from the dealer they bought the car off also feel in a similar way....Can I pick your brains please for the info then I will go on e-bay to save a few pennies types.
I genuinely now could not afford to buy an old TVR..its only the fact that I bought them when they were considered to be undesireable plastic pigs made in Blackpool that allows me to own one know.
The fact is that fewer and fewer enthusiasts own the cars out of pure love, MOST have an eye to value and making money. Its an attitude that is bringing our country slowly to its knees.
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N.
I fully agree with you and do understand how you and others that have been involved with the mark for many years feel and many of us wish we could have done as well however running a business and home commitments did not allow until recently in my case.
I do know that we all value the knowledge and experience that many of the long term owners have and hopefully share as I know there must have been a time when like myself they where green behind the ears and had to learn from others.
As far as a dealer that has no experience in the mark trying to make a quick buck it is a shame and is mainly due to other dealers not stepping up to the mark Hexam and DG or Steve could all have bought the car and from looking at there webb sites they seem to have very little pre 80s stock except for Steve.
Regards Glens suggestion on margin that margin is rather high a 25% mark up would put the car at 15k which is fair.
I know that the likes of Ferhurst after costs have about £1500 on average on a car after costs although I am sure there are exceptions.
What I cant understand is why familys have a car they need to move on they don't sell privately as the auction route seems to move the cars into trade.
Sorry to rant on but i know that you are not worried how much your car is worth and in reality to you it priceless and so it should be but one day you or your family will be glad its of great value to others when the time comes for someone else to take the car on.
Yes rising prices do make the mark unreachable to some however without rising prices the cars would not as a whole be restored to the levels we are seeing in recent years and would not support the supply chain and back up companys that are needed in the mark.
Both Martin and Mikes comment last year at the pre 80s was that the level of restorations where getting higher each year and if your car is there that will take things this year to an even higher level.
Classic TVRs i believe have moved on from the Plastic Pig image from Blackpool and are still very much affordable in comparison to Lotus which are probably double a TVR in road cars Race cars i have no idea?
I just hope that whatever there value the cars remain to be used and enjoyed and not bought and stored like many dearer marks and have an annual trip to Goodwood???
Andrew
Re: Andrew's comments about selling privately.
When we bought our M (2010) the cars in the known dealers seemed to sell very quickly, often across the channel. We were lucky to find ours privately through a TVR car club advert. Lucky because it's an excellent car and we paid a reasonable price for it.
I called the vendor the day it was advertised and viewed and purchased the day after. Collected it a week later and in that time the vendor had only had one other call.
Now maybe the TVRCC website doesn't have the reach that other sites have and we were lucky but it did seem that private sellers were having more difficulty selling than trade.
Whether that says something about buyers or not - who knows?
Gary
When we bought our M (2010) the cars in the known dealers seemed to sell very quickly, often across the channel. We were lucky to find ours privately through a TVR car club advert. Lucky because it's an excellent car and we paid a reasonable price for it.
I called the vendor the day it was advertised and viewed and purchased the day after. Collected it a week later and in that time the vendor had only had one other call.
Now maybe the TVRCC website doesn't have the reach that other sites have and we were lucky but it did seem that private sellers were having more difficulty selling than trade.
Whether that says something about buyers or not - who knows?
Gary
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