Police Memorial day
Discussion
XCP said:
He should probably just have stayed away. Nothing to do with him really.
I hope we don't have the 'spectacle' of him laying a wreath on behalf of the service at the Cenotaph in November.
Interesting comment. I hope we don't have the 'spectacle' of him laying a wreath on behalf of the service at the Cenotaph in November.
For one convoluted reason or another that's OT, I generally find myself at the National Police Memorial on the 11th with a number of ex-green who are now blue.
Other than the same very small group that attends every year (not MET), I've yet to see another policeman pay their respects.
Just an observation, not intended to offend.
Edited by London John on Tuesday 1st October 15:40
There is normally quite a large delegation at Whitehall, which is what I was referring to.
My station used to have a small ceremony at the memorial plaque for officers who died in both world wars. I know the police are represented at Remembrance day ceremonies up and down the country.
My station used to have a small ceremony at the memorial plaque for officers who died in both world wars. I know the police are represented at Remembrance day ceremonies up and down the country.
XCP said:
There is normally quite a large delegation at Whitehall, which is what I was referring to.
Slightly off topic...With fewer and fewer veterans of ww1 and ww2 left I think anyone in uniform at the memorial ceremonies is both welcome and necessary.
I think the last ww1 veteran died recently.
Centenary next year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1nw9OuC1DI
And what are we doing with the peace and our freedoms?
I tried to watch that Wipers Times programme the other week on the BBC, the magazine that became Private Eye, but it didn't grab me. perhaps I wasn't in the mood, or it was a bit too lovey and BBC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1nw9OuC1DI
And what are we doing with the peace and our freedoms?
I tried to watch that Wipers Times programme the other week on the BBC, the magazine that became Private Eye, but it didn't grab me. perhaps I wasn't in the mood, or it was a bit too lovey and BBC?
carinaman said:
Centenary next year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1nw9OuC1DI
And what are we doing with the peace and our freedoms?
I tried to watch that Wipers Times programme the other week on the BBC, the magazine that became Private Eye, but it didn't grab me. perhaps I wasn't in the mood, or it was a bit too lovey and BBC?
I won't be following that link without any details of what it is.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1nw9OuC1DI
And what are we doing with the peace and our freedoms?
I tried to watch that Wipers Times programme the other week on the BBC, the magazine that became Private Eye, but it didn't grab me. perhaps I wasn't in the mood, or it was a bit too lovey and BBC?
But, yes, it is the centenary.
And I shall be doing a lot of WWI related stuff over next year.
The wipers times was an excellent show - it showed an excellent mix of sadness and sillyness that happened at the time.
It was also one of the most accurate pieces I've seen in ages in terms of gear.
As to what we do with those freedoms.
Most of us enjoy them.
The battles those men and women fought weren't to do with some modern political bulls
t.Those battles were fought to defend nations.
Please don't bring their efforts and sacrifices into your modern day political squabbles.
If you support the forces (and/or the police) then do so without any hint of politics.
If you do not support them then kindly avoid memorial events and discussions.
You have the right to your voice.
But there are times one should decide to save that voice for another day.
XCP said:
At Bath, one of the Inspectors in the 60's had fought in armour in the desert in World war 2. He had lost a leg during the conflict.
Still served as a police officer though.
Probably wouldn't pass the fitness test now, of course.
You cheat. Being decent and human in this thread isn't allowed. Still served as a police officer though.
Probably wouldn't pass the fitness test now, of course.
I know Bath. I almost went to Bath to meet up with a brainy Mancunian woman that drove quite a nice car. She looked OK from her photo too. I didn't meet her as I thought better of driving while uninsured. While she was in Bath with her mate she said she was almost mugged down towards the police station just up from the train and bus station. She stepped into the road to stop a passing taxi and the driver thought the situation with the two blokes in hoodies looked a bit suspect too.
When I lived in Bucks., just around the corner from where WB bought his RS6, I had a neighbour that was a lovely, little old chap with white hair that said he was in the BEF that had to retreat via Dunkirk and was at Monte Casino. I don't know if he walked into town for his pension, but a couple of times he was walking out from town and I'd been passing him and given him a lift. He struggled to reach around to get the seatbelt. At least once I got out of the car and went around to the NS to buckle him in.
He once took a tyre in for me that I'd ordered via mail order, and then showed me around his house, and said how his father had designed it.
When I was a kid, a distant relative from WW1 was missing a bit of his hand.
The Mancunian woman that had the nice car, and looked OK. I don't know if she routinely breaks the speed limit, but I'd have been pretty unhappy if she had been mugged in Bath and doubtless bad for not risking getting caught to meet her. That people are prowling around Bath, a World Heritage City on weekend nights doesn't please me much.
I don't know if there's been any outcome from that bloke that was killed in that punch up outside a pub in Bath? Last I read there was a wall of silence and none of the witnesses would say what happened. Sounds like some of that nonsense that went on in Ulster, with people not speaking out because it wasn't the done thing or retribution.
Last time I was in Bath the Hat & Feather looked gentrified compared to when I'd been in there. I got a lift from there once in a Jag, it's the one that looks like a MK X, but isn't. The Jag with a MK X front and 420G tail?
GATSOs? I'm more worried about muggers in Bath. And what will they get if they get apprehended?
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 1st October 17:03
It's not a memorial thread. If it's having a pop at Winsor's uniform then it's at least partially political.
It's not like the Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty and asking me if I want to vote again as I got it wrong the first time.
I'm a troll?
How does the campaign waged against Andrew MITCHELL compare to online trolling?
Perhaps I'll consider toeing the line on Winsor wearing that uniform after those that are behind whatever happened with MITCHELL at Downing Street are dealt with.
Did they respect their office, or that of the police by allowing their political views to bleed over and contaminate their jobs? They made that choice nobody else? They decided playing politics was more important to them than their jobs or profession. They made their bed.
It's not like the Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty and asking me if I want to vote again as I got it wrong the first time.
I'm a troll?
How does the campaign waged against Andrew MITCHELL compare to online trolling?
Perhaps I'll consider toeing the line on Winsor wearing that uniform after those that are behind whatever happened with MITCHELL at Downing Street are dealt with.
Did they respect their office, or that of the police by allowing their political views to bleed over and contaminate their jobs? They made that choice nobody else? They decided playing politics was more important to them than their jobs or profession. They made their bed.
I fail to see how taking XCP's lead on Bath and me mentioning Bucks. is trolling when XCP and I have discussed that part of the world before, what with chair making in High Wycombe and him restoring furniture.
I've been to Bath and few times, and know a bit about the place? That's hardly criminal is it?
I don't think the fitness test is that difficult. Red 4's mention of the PSNI one means I may go and see what that is when I decide to improve my fitness. I know BiB that think the fitness test isn't difficult enough and said how it should be more difficult.
Someone injured defending their Country before becoming police wouldn't get through the new fitness tests? Other organisations took in the injured after WW2, some actively recruited them. The person I know that got an award for their actions in Afghanistan has been known to have a bit of a beer belly.
I've alluded to BiB that I know and respect in other threads more than once. Not all police are the same just as not all PHers are.
I mentioned that Jag. so someone could have run with that.
I've been to Bath and few times, and know a bit about the place? That's hardly criminal is it?
I don't think the fitness test is that difficult. Red 4's mention of the PSNI one means I may go and see what that is when I decide to improve my fitness. I know BiB that think the fitness test isn't difficult enough and said how it should be more difficult.
Someone injured defending their Country before becoming police wouldn't get through the new fitness tests? Other organisations took in the injured after WW2, some actively recruited them. The person I know that got an award for their actions in Afghanistan has been known to have a bit of a beer belly.
I've alluded to BiB that I know and respect in other threads more than once. Not all police are the same just as not all PHers are.
I mentioned that Jag. so someone could have run with that.
It's always curious to me why some choose to focus on the attendees rather than the reason they're there, namely to pay respects to the fallen.
Anything else is just noise. I've seen Walter Mitty types over the years wearing decorations they haven't earned, but invariably manage to shrug it off on the basis that in the greater scheme of things it's meaningless.
Remember why you're there.
Anything else is just noise. I've seen Walter Mitty types over the years wearing decorations they haven't earned, but invariably manage to shrug it off on the basis that in the greater scheme of things it's meaningless.
Remember why you're there.
London John said:
It's always curious to me why some choose to focus on the attendees rather than the reason they're there, namely to pay respects to the fallen.
Anything else is just noise. I've seen Walter Mitty types over the years wearing decorations they haven't earned, but invariably manage to shrug it off on the basis that in the greater scheme of things it's meaningless.
Remember why you're there.
Indeed. There are somethingts in life that aren't worth getting annoyed about.Anything else is just noise. I've seen Walter Mitty types over the years wearing decorations they haven't earned, but invariably manage to shrug it off on the basis that in the greater scheme of things it's meaningless.
Remember why you're there.
Carinaman's inane ramblings are one
XCP, what do you reckon to Bill Skelly, former HMIC for Scotland taking up the post of ACC with Devon & Cornwall, given you mooted Otter QPM, formerly of Devon & Cornwall, would've been one of your choices for HMIC?
Given what I know from what I've read online I don't have an issue with him or his appointment.
I won't be getting a Police Oracle login to see what the comments left about his appointment say.
I wasn't aware that Scotland had their own HMIC. Did the Scottish HMIC attend the memorial day in ceremonial garb or the Cardiff day was only for England and Wales constabularies?
Looking at Winsor not being former BiB from another way, the advent of PCCs has created quite a few more openings for former police officers who could argue that they could bring their experience and local knowledge to the roles.
And we've hardly had a bonfire of Quangos under the coalition, so there are other openings for those that didn't or can't get the HMIC job.
It could be argued from a layman's perspective that if Skelly can go from BiB to HMIC and back to BiB, that HMIC is just another police job?
So the flak Winsor is getting is likely to be faced by anyone coming into the police from outside, be it direct entry or whatever, which is how it is in many other organisations not just the police.
Given what I know from what I've read online I don't have an issue with him or his appointment.
I won't be getting a Police Oracle login to see what the comments left about his appointment say.
I wasn't aware that Scotland had their own HMIC. Did the Scottish HMIC attend the memorial day in ceremonial garb or the Cardiff day was only for England and Wales constabularies?
Looking at Winsor not being former BiB from another way, the advent of PCCs has created quite a few more openings for former police officers who could argue that they could bring their experience and local knowledge to the roles.
And we've hardly had a bonfire of Quangos under the coalition, so there are other openings for those that didn't or can't get the HMIC job.
It could be argued from a layman's perspective that if Skelly can go from BiB to HMIC and back to BiB, that HMIC is just another police job?
So the flak Winsor is getting is likely to be faced by anyone coming into the police from outside, be it direct entry or whatever, which is how it is in many other organisations not just the police.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 10th October 01:33
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