Jeremy Paxman vs Russell Brand
Discussion
As mr whippy has said he'd be far better off carrying on the way he was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3PalrfEF4g abit less shouty interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3PalrfEF4g abit less shouty interview.
CamMoreRon said:
His previous celebrity life is completely irrelevant IMO. Some people change and force themselves to stay the same, some people change and accept it, and some people never change - Brand would be the 2nd of those.
I have a feeling that the guilt over his celebrity lifestyle will overpower him soon enough, and he'll discard it almost completely. You can see the conflict in him when he talks about being a celebrity, and being called a hypocrite for it.
Or maybe he's just realised he's a crap comic and can't act and the game is up.I have a feeling that the guilt over his celebrity lifestyle will overpower him soon enough, and he'll discard it almost completely. You can see the conflict in him when he talks about being a celebrity, and being called a hypocrite for it.
mybrainhurts said:
Or maybe he's just realised he's a crap comic and can't act and the game is up.
Kinda nullifies itself though, doesn't it?Someone who gave up a career because they sucked at pretending to be someone else is hardly going to start a new one pretending to be someone else.
Nice to see people sense the sencerity coming from him.
Since the paxman interview i've found a lot more respect for him, he's played the game as a famous person and is now throwing chunks of it away by speaking out for what he believes in, admittedly it's not the mainstream view, but he's showing he's got more balls than those who tow the line.
Since the paxman interview i've found a lot more respect for him, he's played the game as a famous person and is now throwing chunks of it away by speaking out for what he believes in, admittedly it's not the mainstream view, but he's showing he's got more balls than those who tow the line.
I like him.He sees the world for what it is.Many refuse to accept it and will of course bring out the 'tin hat' argument time and time again, but the world really is run by people all out for power, control and cash.If at any point they make it appear that they have your (us lowly grunts) interests at heart, it's only to further their cause as they continue on their quest for money, power and control for generations to come.
Watch a few hard-hitting documentaries on the pharmaceutical industry, bankers, the food industry, oil companies, various other big businesses, the war machine etc and you can discover a world full of corruption where everyone is out to protect their interests at all costs.It is a world where the same names crop up time and time again due to having all of their fingers in all of the pies as they shamelessly scratch each others backs and try to hide or deny mounting evidence against them, or discredit anyone who makes the grunts think outside the box.
And when all else fails and we take to the streets, they send out the brain-washed coppers or soldiers to protect themselves and almost overnight, invent numerous laws which will allow them to spy on you, whilst removing your ability to own anything from seeds, to rain water, to guns..
Watch a few hard-hitting documentaries on the pharmaceutical industry, bankers, the food industry, oil companies, various other big businesses, the war machine etc and you can discover a world full of corruption where everyone is out to protect their interests at all costs.It is a world where the same names crop up time and time again due to having all of their fingers in all of the pies as they shamelessly scratch each others backs and try to hide or deny mounting evidence against them, or discredit anyone who makes the grunts think outside the box.
And when all else fails and we take to the streets, they send out the brain-washed coppers or soldiers to protect themselves and almost overnight, invent numerous laws which will allow them to spy on you, whilst removing your ability to own anything from seeds, to rain water, to guns..
Digby said:
I like him.He sees the world for what it is.Many refuse to accept it and will of course bring out the 'tin hat' argument time and time again, but the world really is run by people all out for power, control and cash.
Cash. Does Brand write, interview, perform and act for free? Being in the media spotlight is a good way to promote the Brand brand. Kerching. Some people get their tits out to get noticed, if you haven't got any then spouting tosh with big words is clearly an effective substitute. Big tits, big hair, big words.Is he opining on political matters on the basis of not wanting any influence (a subtle but effective form of control) over other people?
If his sixth-former ideas actually represent the future, are we all going to morph into Wolfie Smith so it happens by collective instinct in a joint-will manner?
Or would some tinpot trot revolutionary lead the uprising due to them knowing what's best for everyone else, and being possessed of a silver tongue, seek power and control? Not to mention cash.
Brand isn't worth the time, the sixth-form can have him back.
turbobloke said:
Digby said:
I like him.He sees the world for what it is.Many refuse to accept it and will of course bring out the 'tin hat' argument time and time again, but the world really is run by people all out for power, control and cash.
Cash. Does Brand write, interview, perform and act for free? Being in the media spotlight is a good way to promote the Brand brand. Kerching. Some people get their tits out to get noticed, if you haven't got any then spouting tosh with big words is clearly an effective substitute. Big tits, big hair, big words.Is he opining on political matters on the basis of not wanting any influence (a subtle but effective form of control) over other people?
If his sixth-former ideas actually represent the future, are we all going to morph into Wolfie Smith so it happens by collective instinct in a joint-will manner?
Or would some tinpot trot revolutionary lead the uprising due to them knowing what's best for everyone else, and being possessed of a silver tongue, seek power and control? Not to mention cash.
Brand isn't worth the time, the sixth-form can have him back.
Digby said:
I like him.He sees the world for what it is.Many refuse to accept it and will of course bring out the 'tin hat' argument time and time again, but the world really is run by people all out for power, control and cash.If at any point they make it appear that they have your (us lowly grunts) interests at heart, it's only to further their cause as they continue on their quest for money, power and control for generations to come.
Watch a few hard-hitting documentaries on the pharmaceutical industry, bankers, the food industry, oil companies, various other big businesses, the war machine etc and you can discover a world full of corruption where everyone is out to protect their interests at all costs.It is a world where the same names crop up time and time again due to having all of their fingers in all of the pies as they shamelessly scratch each others backs and try to hide or deny mounting evidence against them, or discredit anyone who makes the grunts think outside the box.
And when all else fails and we take to the streets, they send out the brain-washed coppers or soldiers to protect themselves and almost overnight, invent numerous laws which will allow them to spy on you, whilst removing your ability to own anything from seeds, to rain water, to guns..
Oh dear. Reminds me of the crazy stoned barber who cut my hair {once}.....insert comments about "Rothschilds....Jews.....Illuminati....Hitler....Royal Family.....Conspiracy.......9/11....inside job" etc into a random conversation and mix into a glutinous mush of crud, backed up by nothing other than ludicrous hyperbole and half-assed rumours Watch a few hard-hitting documentaries on the pharmaceutical industry, bankers, the food industry, oil companies, various other big businesses, the war machine etc and you can discover a world full of corruption where everyone is out to protect their interests at all costs.It is a world where the same names crop up time and time again due to having all of their fingers in all of the pies as they shamelessly scratch each others backs and try to hide or deny mounting evidence against them, or discredit anyone who makes the grunts think outside the box.
And when all else fails and we take to the streets, they send out the brain-washed coppers or soldiers to protect themselves and almost overnight, invent numerous laws which will allow them to spy on you, whilst removing your ability to own anything from seeds, to rain water, to guns..
Tried telling me that the Holocaust never happened and didnt like it when I said it did and some of my family were there at the bitter end, one of the very few cretins I debated with and got quite offended by.
Brand is like that stoned barber to me, just absolutely full of the usual sh*t that gets lapped up by the tinfoil hat brigade and the usual turgid rumours trotted out as fact without a shred of proof. I would love to see factual evidence proving those mad theories they espouse, wouldn't that be fun? But there never is
Siko said:
I would love to see factual evidence proving those mad theories they espouse, wouldn't that be fun? But there never is
At the risk of going off-topic, evidence regarding what? Pick something? How about we start with the food industry, especially in the USA and how it does its best to keep people unhealthy and how billions can then be made from offering up "healthy" products to counteract it etc.It's all out there, all factual, it just depends if you choose to see it.
Digby said:
At the risk of going off-topic, evidence regarding what? Pick something? How about we start with the food industry, especially in the USA and how it does its best to keep people unhealthy and how billions can then be made from offering up "healthy" products to counteract it etc.
It's all out there, all factual, it just depends if you choose to see it.
Ooo.. controversial. I'm not a massive believer in there being a deliberate organisation behind things like that, I reckon it's just chaos at work. Sh*t food is cheap because it's sh*t / sh*t because it's cheap, and people buy it because they want something cheap and / or sh*t. It's all out there, all factual, it just depends if you choose to see it.
I think the way the world works is much more disorganised, with the powers that be frantically grasping to try and keep it under control.
Anywho.. what you've alluded to can't actually be proved, it can only be speculated about. We can talk about corporate power grabs all day, however. COUGH TTIP COUGH COUGH TTIP COUGH
Digby said:
It's all out there, all factual, it just depends if you choose to see it.
Haha my barber friend used exactly the same line.....don't totally disagree with you btw on your point that corporations and politicians are out for themselves, but that's not exactly news and pretty much encompasses capitalism.CamMoreRon said:
Ooo.. controversial. I'm not a massive believer in there being a deliberate organisation behind things like that, I reckon it's just chaos at work. Sh*t food is cheap because it's sh*t / sh*t because it's cheap, and people buy it because they want something cheap and / or sh*t.
It starts off simple..They were asked to remove the fat from food and it has now been replaced with sugar in almost everything.Crap food and the associated problems (massive increases in child diabetes and obesity etc) are being sold in much the same way cigarettes were being sold to us all in the 40s and 50s - "It's not bad for you, honest!" No need for tin hats, this is courtroom certified stuff and the more you look into it and bother to read and listen, the worse it all gets.
It's estimated that approx 80% of schools have contracts with Coke or Pepsi, for example.In some infant schools, you can sit on Cola labeled chairs! (start them young - keep them for life).
Again, it's all out there.You can go look, or you can call people mad barbers.Makes no difference to me.I just like to be educated on such matters and am constantly left wondering how the hell these people get away with what they do.
otolith said:
You take the fat out of junk food and find people don't buy it because it doesn't taste as nice - what are you going to do? Doesn't require any conspiracy.
You do what they are doing now, namely try at any and all costs to protect your multi-billion dollar industry.I'm hardly alone in understanding what is going on, a simple search will produce truly shocking statistics and reveal the lengths the industry will go to and the people they effectively 'pay off', partner up with or fund to keep quiet or suggest things are hunky-dory.Not so long ago, you would have been branded a bonkers barber for suggesting smoking was bad.We are only at the stage we are now due to people waking up after decades of ignored evidence was constantly rammed home and the pressure to do something about it was at such high levels, it would have lost votes had it been ignored.You can even watch videos of the tobacco giants sitting in court rooms suggesting there was nothing to worry about and watch adverts of Doctors telling you which brand they smoke.
Once again, though, discovering what is truly happening 'out there' involves some reading and searching and ignoring of the types of headlines which sell newspapers (let's not go down the road of the corporate controlled Media just yet).
I find many conspiracy theories to be rather far-fetched, but I find it truly staggering that certain people will just slap on the blinkers and put their unquestionable trust in these companies.
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