Marky's refurb thread. 1940 run down semi.

Marky's refurb thread. 1940 run down semi.

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marky911

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219 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Apologies for the thread title, it just makes it easily distinguishable from all the other "Our refurb" threads. As usual this is mainly somewhere for me to keep a track on what we have done to the house and to pick all the experienced P'headers brains on any issues we come across. (There are already a few).

Ok, I'd just like to say I'll welcome all input along the way with this project so what I'll do is put any questions or cries for help at the end of my posts, so if anyone reading gets bored, please just skip to the end to see if you can add anything helpful or just take the piss to cheer me up when things get tough wink . No questions today though, just an introduction. I've done several "Gut and refurb" projects over the years but mainly on 1970's stuff so nothing as old as this.

Anyway, we picked up the keys for this 1940 semi 4 weeks ago. It's in a beautiful village in Northumberland and it's been my ambition to live here ever since riding through it, about ten years ago. We've realised a few ambitions by buying it, such as getting more rural, I finally have my double garage, location, etc, etc.

The house belonged to a 90 year old woman who was in care for the last 3 years until she sadly passed away. We bought the house from her son who lives two doors along the road. He was born in the house in 1945.
We could tell the house had been loved at some point but it had fallen into a bad state of repair. Cast iron guttering falling off, roof tiles slipping, damp, burst hot water tank and just generally really run down. It's in a conservation area so we are limited to what we can do, but we'll see.

Pics from when we viewed it, or very soon after. It looked half liveable then. -

Paths covered in moss, the ivy has to go, the porch will be pulled down and a new gable roof jobbie built with door on front. I want the cables on the front of house (electric and phone line) re-routed into the house as we are hoping to get it rendered. New windows, roof, fascias, guttering etc, to go on.

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Double garage with a ceiling and loft space. Good size too. The bit in-between house and garage is an old store. We aim to turn to have this made habitable and move the kitchen into there. It's currently a narrow room along the back of house.

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Back of the house. She's no looker but there's a bit to sort out. The left lower window is the rear of living room which runs front to back of house. The right window is kitchen which once we move it, we hope to fit 3.2m bi-folds along the back to take in the view.

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This view (This pic is from fence but you get the idea.) -

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Back of garage and store. Store doors will become french doors. New windows for garage.

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View from other side of house. (Roofer scaffold in the way) -

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Ok so the basis is there e.g., location, views, space but the interior is rough. These are from when viewed it. -

Kitchen -

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Living room. I was meant to ask for the old ariel view picture of the house but forgot. -

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Bedroom 1



Wallpapered over fireplaces in 2 of the bedrooms.

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Bedroom 2

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Bedroom 3. The 2nd pic is of the roof about to crumble in due to the failed roof covering around the chimney breast above.

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Bathroom - Lovely eh. We aim to keep this. wink The loo is in a separate little room.

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Store - the door ahead is into garage. There is a door to the left which goes into the front facing part of the store (2nd pic). Creepy.

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Drive -

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Anyway, that's all for tonight. I'll update over the next few days to get upto the present day. I'll add some layout pics of present and proposed. I'll also sort out any pics that aren't showing up. Photobucket issues.
Cheers. smile

jjones

4,426 posts

193 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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some good potential there, hope you have a war chest biggrin

marky911

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219 months

Thursday 21st November 2013
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Thanks JJ. We have a pot there which will hopefully get the bulk of the work done, but we know we will run out of funds before everything is done.
What stage we run out at is anyones guess.

Work we're hoping to get done is -

Full re-roof (in original materials due to conservation order) inc. gutters fascias and velux windows in store. (Currently being done - £8k)
Re-jig layout including 3 or 4 RSJs.
Rewire.
Heating system, LPG, gas or wood pellet boiler, with a stove in living room/snug. (Stove currently being organised. Installation inc. slate hearth comes to £1580, no vat plus the stove a 5 kw Burley £1100).
Bi-folds on rear.
New porch.
Replace some windows completely, some will just get new units with georgian bars. (we use a great local company and the quote for this is amazing, less than half what I estimated).
Kitchen.
Bathroom.
Render, if allowed.

The rest, such as driveway, landscaping, fences etc, will be done over the years. The main thing is we're here. As long as we get the place liveable that'll do for now. smile
Of course there is planning to deal with and building regs, etc.

Aiming for it to look something like this. (Excuse the iPad sketch!) -


The Char

382 posts

185 months

Friday 22nd November 2013
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Lots of potential, looking forward to updates.

Pvapour

8,981 posts

253 months

Friday 22nd November 2013
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rofl that fireplace cover up rofl

1940s? its not even a teenager never mind 'old' hehe

good luck 'Marky' smile

singlecoil

33,534 posts

246 months

Friday 22nd November 2013
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marky911 said:
Aiming for it to look something like this. (Excuse the iPad sketch!) -

Excuse? Admire would be more like it.

rovermorris999

5,199 posts

189 months

Friday 22nd November 2013
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Looks a good project. I wouldn't render though, you're just giving yourself a maintenance task. And it's bound to crack.

marky911

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219 months

Friday 22nd November 2013
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Thanks for the comments chaps, yep those fire cover ups are great aren't they. hehe
Hi Morris, I have had a couple of people say avoid render actually, as it forever needs painting etc. I take the view that I like to keep my things tip top, whether it's a car or a house, even if it takes a bit of maintenance, but I am still debating it. The houses just lack a bit of kerb appeal and the buyer of next door is also up for rendering theirs, which may give us a bit more wellie with the planning department.

I'm enjoying the easy part of smashing things out etc at the minute. It's the calm before the storm currently, as the roofer is here and we have our pre-planning visit on Monday, by the local council, so not really much I can do for now, until we get the go ahead on things and get the architect in.

I've just got back from the local. There's only one pub in the village and that's it. There used to be a shop/post office but it closed. I'm not really a drinker but I've always wanted a local where you walk in and people know your name, so that's cool. smile Plus the average clientele are decent folk you can have a good chat with so it's not like some rough bar where the bar flies want to stab you. wink

Anyway, some more pics.

First week we were in the wife jet washed all the paths. They were caked in moss so whenever it rained we trailed blacky green slime into the house.

Before -



After -



Still rough and ugly but at least they're clean and usable.

Of course, she managed to keep our dog in the house all day but while she was clearing up he got into the garage and ate half a tray of mouse poison cereal. I pulled up just as it happened so took him down to the animal hospital where he spent a night. He's fine now.

All pretty standard boring stuff, but I'm just getting myself upto date on here before I start losing all the pics I've taken. smile


marky911

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219 months

Friday 22nd November 2013
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So as I've mentioned the day of completion was quite stressful as we didn't get the go ahead to collect the keys until 5pm.

When we got to the house we found the back door wouldn't lock, or the garage doors and there was no water at all.
These were obviously my first jobs.

After a bit of help from Multi-point locks in Wakefield (good bunch of lads there), I ordered a new lock for the rear pvc door. Will be getting replaced with french doors eventually but at least it's secure now. Garage doors secured by various methods.

Then me and my dad tackled the lack of water. The top hot water tank in this cupboard had burst so we capped the feed off, so we could turn the main stop-cock back on to give us cold running water.

Cupboard before (Blurry pic sorry) -



Cupboard now. All tanks removed and scrapped. It was an electric water heater system and we'll be fitting central heating, so no point wasting money to reinstate it. -




Now this cupboard is accessed through the main bedroom and runs along behind the bathroom. It is exactly the length of the bath and a touch wider, so we are going to block door up in bedroom, knock through into it from the bathroom, move the bath a baths width further back and that will enable us to move the loo into the same room. The small room that currently has the loo in will then be reduced in size and become a shower cubicle accessed from the bathroom.



Loo on left, bathroom door on the right further back. The wall straight ahead through the bathroom door is the one to come down.
Only problem to come is that the rejig of all the walls we want moving will be done along with a full rewire and re-plumb of the whole house. Going to be tricky living here during that time, especially since the kitchen will be getting ripped out at the same time.


Edited by marky911 on Saturday 23 November 00:51

marky911

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Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Next problem on completion day was the state we found the floors to be in. I'd noticed the lumps and bumps when viewing but they were carpeted then. On completion day I was outside sorting things when the wife came out a bit miffed, saying that the floors were wrecked so we couldn't furnish the rooms.

Here is what we found in the living room. -




The whole floor is covered in craters where furniture legs have punched holes in the floor. It's a concrete floor with lino still on in the pic.

The first builder who came out wanted to charge us £8k+ to re-do all the ground floors, digging them out to 15 inches deep. We were about to give the go ahead on the work and figured the silver lining of that grey cloud would be proper insulation and underfloor heating.
However a great guy we know (the dad of a friend of ours) runs a property building/renovation company specialising in period properties.Within two minutes of visiting he said "These are asphalt floors which have basically melted from the heat off the fire, due to moisture trapped under the lino. Lino should never be fitted onto asphalt floors. You do not need new floors. Get the lino up, let them breath and get the fire opened up to dry the house out." When that is done we are to screed the floors.
So there is £8k back in the pot. Phew!

So I chiselled the lino up and also removed the skirting along with most of the plaster from the external walls. The survey mentioned damp, which they are, but this is mainly due to the failed guttering outside letting the rain water pour down the external walls.

Anyway question - The whole house has cement skirtings, yes cement! Hours and hours to get them off and I've only done the living room so far. Does anyone know if these are asbestos cement or just cement, from the pic?
All the asbestos cement I've seen has visible fibres in it, but these just look like cement?



Walls, floor,skirting -



ETA - With all the work required to the floors we decided to make the large bedroom a bedroom and the second bedroom a small living room. Not ideal but it means we have some sanctuary and we only really have to heat upstairs, currently with oil filled rads.

Anyway, I know it's boring but more to follow. smile

Edited by marky911 on Saturday 23 November 00:07

marky911

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Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Taking our advisors advice next job was to open up the fire place in the living room. We had always planned to fit a stove in here anyway but not until a bit later.
We booked a chimney sweep and I began to open up the fire place. No problems there -







Noticed this box section though -



Removed it to find the pipework to an old back boiler.




Even if I removed the back boiler it would leave a great big hole in the chimney breast so it would still be useless. With the chimney sweep booked for the next day we decided to quickly open up the dining room fireplace instead. My wife actually done this herself. -









Two buckets of dirt including dead birds and all sorts.

Chimney sweep came and swept both chimneys anyway and we finally had heat downstairs, albeit not much. -



So with heat in the house sorted for now, I could again tackle the living room fireplace in preparation for the stove.
Prised the old Newcastle fireplace off the wall . -



Back boiler and pipework out -





So most of the plaster off too and ready for stove installation. -



The stove installer we are going with is fully booked until the new year but he has said he will try and get out before then, whenever possible, to progress the job. He is going to knock the breast opening out wider and taller, fit a lintel into the brickwork, supply and fit the flue, the slate hearth, and finish inside the opening ready to be painted, although the room and breast will still need to be plastered first. Total cost is £1585, no vat but plus our stove. My wife wants a Burley 5kw, so that's about another £1100 I think.
The same guy is going to supply and fit all new chimney pots to replace the odd ones on the roof. He is also going to cap one to stop the wind noise in the bedroom from the fire in there and then I can rip that out and block it up.

More to follow….

Pvapour

8,981 posts

253 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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close one with the dog eek

great to see someone else getting stuck in thumbup do you not fancy fitting the stoves yourself? they're not that difficult, plenty of 'how to' videos..

what about other works, are you going to be as hands on? be nice to read about someone else digging deep through this winter smile

some pretty brickwork over the fireplace by the looks of it, be interesting to see it all cleaned up (if thats your intentions)


marky911

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219 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Hi Pvapour, I've just realised which thread is yours! I've been following that for ages. I knew I recognised your username. Absolutely top work you're doing over there and an inspiring story of just upping sticks and heading off. Nice Chim too! thumbup

That sort of brings us nicely onto my reply. No unfortunately I'm not a wizard like yourself when it comes to the heavy work. We do have to watch every penny (whilst still doing things to a good standard) and I'd like to do all of the work, but I also know my limits so the roof is being done professionally, as will the building work, wiring, plumbing etc. I would have had a go at more things such as plumbing, but we are living here through the refurbishment and my wife and I both work long hours so going without a bathroom for weeks while I plumb it in would be impossible.

The dog had a lucky escape yes. We got him straight down to the animal hospital and they gave him an injection to make him throw up. That got the bulk of the poison out, then he had vitamin K injections to help coagulation as the mouse poison thins the blood massively. He's right as rain now and is starting to understand that this is his new home. He gets up as we enter the village now if he's in the back of the car.

Gratuitous pic. Ladies and gentlemen I give you Bailey the stzu! (In his teddy-bear onesie. Blame the wife!) biggrin



ETA - The brickwork would have been nice at some point, with the arched rows over the fireplace but it has cracked over the years so will probably be getting skimmed over.. We would have left the arched bit exposed if it was in better condition. We have ages to decide before the room gets skimmed though. smile

Edited by marky911 on Saturday 23 November 18:01

RC1

4,097 posts

219 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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great thread looking forward to this one... small jobs like the pathway are hugely satisfying so well done to the mrs!


Wozy68

5,390 posts

170 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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marky911 said:
We do have to watch every penny (whilst still doing things to a good standard) and I'd like to do all of the work,
Best rid yourself of that GT3 then matey, I'll take her off your hands, I haven't got a lot of cash, mind. smile

I'm in the same boat as you (alas no garage though) and when money gets tight, I look out the window at my poor old 993, and you can virtually see her shaking.

Each time though, I manage to find the cash to move the project on and keep my beloved car.

All the best with the project.

Edited by Wozy68 on Saturday 23 November 20:59

marky911

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Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Evenin' lads! Two names from the Porsche forum there. wavey

RC you used to be Ravi didn't you? Good to see you're still about on here. Yep you're right it's every part of the journey that makes the difference. The wife is a grafter and always muddles in. She's had a crappy year with her health but is hopefully on the mend, so this is an exciting new chapter.
A mate of mine who renovates properties once said to me "Focus on what you have done, not what you still need to do. Otherwise it's all a bit daunting." That's the main reason for this thread, so that when times are stressful I can see that we have in fact made some headway.
Anyway, I hope you're well. I see you have no Pork in your stable but are still keeping it German. Good man! thumbup

Hey Wozy, good to hear from you and I hope all is good where you are. Totally agree about the car. If it's the difference between finishing the project or living in a building site for another year, when the time comes it could go. I hope not and the wife is a good'un and knows how much it means to me but we'll see how things pan out. One thing's for sure, if I sell that car I'll never be able to get back into another one. Sobering thought as it offers all I'll ever need from a 911.

Good luck hanging onto yours matey and good luck with your house. No refurb thread?
Anyway, all the best. smile




Edited by marky911 on Saturday 23 November 23:37

Biker's Nemesis

38,613 posts

208 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Hello Mark, are you still in the area or have you moved further afield?

I can see the potential in your new house, I am sure it will be perfect once you're done.

marky911

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Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Hey John, long time no speak!

Yep I'm still up here mate, it's home. We can't go anywhere else can we? No fecker can understand us. biggrin
You'll know where I am, loads of bikers come through and that's how I found the place. West of the 'peth, begins with a W. Haven't mentioned it as you never know who is reading, although have you seen Bailey our guard dog!? wink

How are you anyway, back to good health or not? What do you make of Rossi now? Can't believe he's ditched JB! He simply has to perform next year now. I wait with baited breath!



Edited by marky911 on Sunday 24th November 00:05

Biker's Nemesis

38,613 posts

208 months

Sunday 24th November 2013
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marky911 said:
Hey John, long time no speak!

Yep I'm still up here mate, it's home. We can't go anywhere else can we? No fecker can understand us. biggrin
You'll know where I am, loads of bikers come through and that's how I found the place. West of the 'peth, begins with a W. Haven't mentioned it as you never know who is reading, although have you seen Bailey our guard dog!? wink

How are you anyway, back to good health or not? What do you make of Rossi now? Can't believe he's ditched JB! He simply has to perform next year now. I wait with baited breath!
I know exactly where you mean Mark. We have been mortgage free for a few years now, my son is all grown up and ready to flee the nest so myself and the Mrs are talking about moving a bit further North, maybe 20 miles or so.

Your guard dog is a bit bigger than our cat!

I didn't like the way Rossi went about dumping Burgress, like you say he has to perform next year, if he doesn't he will go down in everyone estimation. I am afraid he is looking rather desperate which pains me too say.

I just hope the racing is good next year.

Oh, don't get me started about the switch to BT sport.

marky911

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Sunday 24th November 2013
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Right, I can almost get up to the present day here so I may as well.
The roof had a number of slipped tiles and almost all the guttering round the back had ripped off when we bought it. I said to the wife "We could be lucky and it could just need a few tiles, or it could need a full re-roof". As is usually the way, it needed the latter.
So the roofer started last Saturday the 16th. Full re-roof on the house and store, repairs to garage, all new fascias and guttering, repoint chimney stack and fit velux windows in store roof, to let light in for when we move the kitchen into there.

Scaffold up -





On the Saturday the roofers got all of the front face stripped, re-felted and the new lats fitted. -





On the Sunday they done the rear, then throughout the week they have re-slated the front using all of the best slates left from both sides, fitted the fascia and the new guttering. It was a choice of deep-fill or half round, so we went with the half round to keep things right with the surrounding area.
We have good used slates for the rear which will go on this week then the roofer will start the store roof.

The store roof has no soakers/flashings! They were originally just a line of cement up the joint which has disappeared over the years. -



Now, we wanted velux windows in both sides of the store roof but we have since dropped the idea of the ones in the front side (the side visible in pic) as apparently we won't get them due to the conservation order. We have our pre-planning meeting on Monday though, so I'll still ask about them.

In preparation for the rear veluxes I thought I'd better pull down the ceiling in the store. The front side of the store is just a filthy old store with no ceiling, but the rear side has the downstairs wc and corridor to the garage, hence it has the ceilings I need to remove to gain access to the underside of the roof.

At start, ceiling intact -



Pulled half down to leave the light etc. Low and behold the wall goes right upto the underside of the roof and is exactly half way along it, right where the velux is to go -



I don't know whether the wall is supporting or not? I doubt it because this is the exact same roof (below) but in the front side of the store and the main beam runs from the house end of the store to the garage end with no support. The beam in the rear part where I'm working passes through the centre wall to each end so I doubt the wall pictured above is supporting.

Front part of store with beam end to end -



So erring on the side of caution I removed a few bricks to enable the fitting of the velux. I soon realised that the size of velux we wanted is too much of a squeeze height-wise so we are now going with 3 smaller ones rather than the one large one.



More updates as and when…
Cheers. smile