Ban smacking, children's tsar urges
Discussion
el stovey said:
the accused said:
There's every indication of a healthy faith in behaviour modification by positive and negative reinforcement being shown here. So PSYCHOLOGICAL intervention is seen as the panacea for addressing child misbehaviour 
But isn't that the whole point of the smack? The smack isn't to HURT the child or do some physical damage. The smack associates a momentarily unpleasant experience with the offending behaviour. The aim being to modify the behaviour by associating it with the unpleasant experience.
Right but the 'momentary unpleasant experience' is either pain or humiliation. I'm not sure thats positive negative reinforcement. It also teaches kids that it's OK to hit people when they do something you disagree with. Look at all the people who think it's OK to hit their kids because their own parents hit them. But isn't that the whole point of the smack? The smack isn't to HURT the child or do some physical damage. The smack associates a momentarily unpleasant experience with the offending behaviour. The aim being to modify the behaviour by associating it with the unpleasant experience.Smacking is simply used by people who are either too angry or can't be arsed finding better methods to teach their children stuff.
See what I did there
TwigtheWonderkid said:
s2art said:
Seems reasonable. As humans have been smacking their kids, to warn or discipline, for the past 100,000+ years, and for that matter so do many of the big mammals, it would be foolhardy to abandon the practice. Evolution counts.
Humans and other big mammals have an evolutionary history and attacking the weak and vulnerable of their species. Perhaps we should allow that too. After all, if granny can't take care of herself when confronted by a gang of youths, why should the state intervene? 
OK...if i decided to smack my kids when all the moral police has decided it is illegal,
Can i get out of it by playing my brown race card? Im sure a lot of people holding the black race card would also play it.
So what happens now? Just a question cos you know smacking (not beating up) kids are a common practice among peoples from developing nations and cultures. The approach is quite simple...what dad and mum says goes. You are told once, twice and then you pay the price. I personally had to extend my palm and got a cane...it hurt, but it was the law in my house, school and community in general till the age of around 12. What it taught everyone was..there is a consequence for breaking the law/rules, and the consequence hurts!
We didnt have Ps3, computer, gazillion TV shows (except A-team and Knight rider), or a lot of pocket money to try the loss of material crap technique as punishment. Grounding us was useless because we would be nightmare at home. So looking back at it now i ask the question....if there was no cane, how the f
k would i have disciplined myself? The cane did me good!
Can i get out of it by playing my brown race card? Im sure a lot of people holding the black race card would also play it.
So what happens now? Just a question cos you know smacking (not beating up) kids are a common practice among peoples from developing nations and cultures. The approach is quite simple...what dad and mum says goes. You are told once, twice and then you pay the price. I personally had to extend my palm and got a cane...it hurt, but it was the law in my house, school and community in general till the age of around 12. What it taught everyone was..there is a consequence for breaking the law/rules, and the consequence hurts!
We didnt have Ps3, computer, gazillion TV shows (except A-team and Knight rider), or a lot of pocket money to try the loss of material crap technique as punishment. Grounding us was useless because we would be nightmare at home. So looking back at it now i ask the question....if there was no cane, how the f
k would i have disciplined myself? The cane did me good!the accused said:
The best we had in the '50's was the teacher who'd clout you on the back of the head whilst walking to his desk.
"What was that for sir"???
"That was for nothing, boy. Now you know what you'll get for something"!!
(it seemed to work for him, too)
We used to get a 6" wooden board rubber thrown at the back of our heads and it was completely our own fault. "What was that for sir"???
"That was for nothing, boy. Now you know what you'll get for something"!!
(it seemed to work for him, too)
"If you were looking at the blackboard you'd have seen it coming".
the accused said:
The best we had in the '50's was the teacher who'd clout you on the back of the head whilst walking to his desk.
"What was that for sir"???
"That was for nothing, boy. Now you know what you'll get for something"!!
Seriously - would you accept any teacher doing that to one of your children nowadays?"What was that for sir"???
"That was for nothing, boy. Now you know what you'll get for something"!!
Breadvan72 said:
So what? Some people are smacked and do fine, some don't. Ditto those who are not smacked,but see above for some info as to risk evaluation.
WW: back under your bridge!
Children could then choose whether to be hit with the board rubber or not. Simply keep looking at the front of the classroom to indicate your chosen board rubber preference...WW: back under your bridge!
Apparently the UK Children's Commmisioners have all united to report the UK gov to the UN for its failure to ban smacking; it's failure to do so may place it in breach of the UNCRC.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
How does this square with the recent case of the judge finding that cultural context should be a consideration as to whether smacking is considered child abuse?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jud...
I'm all confuzzeled.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
How does this square with the recent case of the judge finding that cultural context should be a consideration as to whether smacking is considered child abuse?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jud...
I'm all confuzzeled.
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