RE: PH 2013: Biggest disappointments

RE: PH 2013: Biggest disappointments

Monday 30th December 2013

PH 2013: Biggest disappointments

It's not all sweetness and light - here we vent on the things that wiped the smiles off our faces this past year



It's been a hell of a year, both on PistonHeads and in the wider motoring world. We've seen the arrival of a new age of electrically enhanced supercars - hypercars as they've become known - and even driven one of them. We've seen AMG launch a turbocharged four-cylinder hot hatch, Jaguar resurgent with an all-new sports car, Porsche celebrate a significant milestone for the 911 with two extraordinary flagships for the 991 range plus a new Boxster and Cayman and Alfa Romeo attempt to reinvent the supercar as a lightweight, minimalist carbon fibre driving machine.

It's not all been good though. And here the PH team gets the annoyances and disappointments of the year off their chests. These are our biggest let-downs of the year - what are yours?



Gran Turismo 6 (Matt)
My biggest let-down of 2013? Gran Turismo 6, easily. I still remember the joy of Christmas Day in 2000 when my parents had bought me a PS2 and GT2. Most of my teenage years were happily spent playing GT3 and GT4 then my degree suffered thanks to GT5 until I realised it was a bit boring.

Despite some excellent new track additions and further improved physics, GT6 just hasn't moved GT on as far as it needed to in my opinion. And a lunar buggy on the moon? Really? I'd rather we had some Porsches in the game to be honest.

Dishonourable mentions for the Alfa 4C's steering wheel and all electronic parking brakes ever.



2013 World Rally Championship season (Dan P)
Nothing changed. As much as we may have felt privileged to witness something so remarkable, rally fans had endured a decade of dominance by a Frenchman called Sebastien. When the Greatest of all Time eventually announced his retirement from the end of the 2012 season (at the same time confirming a part-time campaign for 2013) we all believed that, at long last, the WRC would begin to deliver some real competition.

Then a dominant Frenchman called Sebastien went and won everything. The cognoscenti will point out that 2013 did deliver some intrigue and excitement; the eventual champion Ogier duking it out with Loeb in Monte Carlo and Sweden, the emergence of Thierry Neuville, the four-way fight for the win in France. The defining aspect of 2013 for me, however, was the apparent capitulation of everybody else to Ogier's superiority.

I've long wished to see the WRC reach a larger audience and it'll be thrilling fights for the title year after year that makes that happen. Here's hoping that with Kris Meeke signing for the works Citroen team and Mikko Hirvonen going back to where he belongs at M-Sport Ford, Ogier doesn't have it all his own way in 2014.



The death of the manual option (Dan T)
Honestly, I buy the arguments for paddle-shifted gearboxes, be they dual-clutch, single-clutch or skilfully calibrated auto. In some cars I'd agree they're the preferred choice and a defining part of the car's character. And I understand the commercial realities and mainstream demand for cars with automatic gearboxes at all levels of the market.

But that three of the most significant driver's cars launched this year - the Clio 200, the 991 GT3 and Alfa Romeo 4C - didn't even offer the choice of a manual makes me sad. Speed matters but it's not everything and as the opportunities to exploit the amazing abilities of modern performance cars get fewer and fewer we look to other ways of getting the interest back into driving. And for those of us who've grown up perfecting our fancy footwork and would include that as a significant element in the satisfaction of driving a fast car skilfully not even having the option to spec a manual transmission is a shame.

Meaning all credit to next year's BMW M3 and M4, which will give us Luddites the option of three pedals rather than two paddles. They'll sell perhaps five of each. But I'll be there a few years down the line, hunting them down in the classifieds.

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Al 450

Original Poster:

1,390 posts

223 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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I totally agree, no manual gearbox on the GT3 was a crime.

justboxsters

135 posts

168 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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the realty is, that people who have money to buy new cars don't want manuals. PH's don't seem to have deep enough pockets to buy new...

samoht

5,831 posts

148 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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If you're going to list GT6 as one of your 'biggest disappointments', how about actually posting a review of the game? All I've seen is a 'liveblog' which had lots of snippets, few of which were actually about playing the game - not a considered review explaining why it is disappointing. What were you hoping for, beyond some Porsches which are already locked up by EA's licencing deal?

I'd argue that you guys, with your broad experience of driving different real-life cars and tracks and describing the sensations, are among the best-placed to review driving games like GT and Forza.

BalhamBadger

1,162 posts

175 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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No mention of the Volvo in the text?

goron59

397 posts

173 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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BalhamBadger said:
No mention of the Volvo in the text?
I was wondering that. Perhaps Dan was trying to match the disappointments with an equally disappointing bit of journalism.

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

284 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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justboxsters said:
the realty is, that people who have money to buy new cars don't want manuals. PH's don't seem to have deep enough pockets to buy new...
Manual every single day, thanks very much.

goron59

397 posts

173 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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PascalBuyens said:
Manual every single day, thanks very much.
Yes, and to be a real man, there should be no synchronizers on the gears, no power assisted steering/brakes, no ABS, cable operated throttle and clutch, no electronic aids to injection or timing and nothing designed with the benefit of a computer.

After all, you wouldn't want anything to get in the way of a pure driving experience, would you?

In fact, whilst you're at it, pneumatic tyres are a bit modern...

smile

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

170 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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goron59 said:
I was wondering that. Perhaps Dan was trying to match the disappointments with an equally disappointing bit of journalism.
Season's greetings/happy new year to you too.

Volvo shaped disappointment courtesy of Matt here. Everyone got to pick - looks like GT6 annoyed him more!

Cheers!

Dan

Robbie K

52 posts

230 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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I think the manual argument is basically moot. Manufacturers build cars for people. if 95% (or more) of customers don't want manuals, they just wont build them.

If some enthusiasts REALLLLY want manuals (enough to pay), then I am sure the aftermarket will provide for them even if the OEM manufacturers don't. People already fit new difs, new turbos, new engines(!) etc, so why not new gearboxes. OK it will cost a bomb, but if its THAT important to someone then they can do it.

A few people going "oooh i want manuals" on forums, usually talking about cars they aren't going to buy anyway is pointless.

For one thing, although we enjoy manuals as enthusiasts (I certainly do), motorsport has long ago left manuals behind, and most enthusiasts are relatively speed driven, so if F1 and everyone else doesn't use manuals, why do some people want them so much? Is it just a generational thing, and the 'youth of today' will wonder what all the fuss is about in a few years time? Like maybe people pined for carburetors? (Did they?)


Baryonyx

18,034 posts

161 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Robbie K said:
Like maybe people pined for carburetors? (Did they?)
Some still do! But the benefits of FI were pretty obvious at the time and didn't instantaneously spoil cars - you could still have FI and a cable throttle and have a super clean, snappy throttle response. Whereas paddle shifts are great for pensioners and feckless idiots who can't handle a manual, but can leave the enthusiast cold.

kambites

67,726 posts

223 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Robbie K said:
I think the manual argument is basically moot. Manufacturers build cars for people. if 95% (or more) of customers don't want manuals, they just wont build them.
Yup. Mainstream manufacturers (I suppose anyone who produces more than about a thousand cars a year) do not build cars primarily for enthusiasts so they won't develop features that only enthusiasts want - the volumes just aren't there.

sparks_E39

12,738 posts

215 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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GT6 is awesome. The AI seem to get better the further into the game you get.

sparks_E39

12,738 posts

215 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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GT6 is awesome. The AI seem to get better the further into the game you get.

Hairbrakes

10,421 posts

162 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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sparks_E39 said:
GT6 is awesome. The AI seem to get better the further into the game you get.
And it *still* has incredibly crappy, square, pixellated rendering lifted straight from GT3/4 for most of the non-premium cars. This wasn't acceptable in GT5, let alone the sequel they're had all these years to work on. Doubly unacceptable compared to the likes of Forza.

Baryonyx

18,034 posts

161 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Yes, some of GT6 looks like it was lifted from the original XBOX! Forza 5 looks a hundred times better.

0a

23,907 posts

196 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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What's next with these PH 2013 news articles? Nicest cup holders, roundest wheels, top 10 Porsches tested smile

CBR JGWRR

6,547 posts

151 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Hairbrakes said:
sparks_E39 said:
GT6 is awesome. The AI seem to get better the further into the game you get.
And it *still* has incredibly crappy, square, pixellated rendering lifted straight from GT3/4 for most of the non-premium cars. This wasn't acceptable in GT5, let alone the sequel they're had all these years to work on. Doubly unacceptable compared to the likes of Forza.
Which has been gutted from what it was in FM4.

RichB

51,886 posts

286 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Dan Trent said:
goron59 said:
I was wondering that. Perhaps Dan was trying to match the disappointments with an equally disappointing bit of journalism.
Season's greetings/happy new year to you too.
Volvo shaped disappointment courtesy of Matt here. Everyone got to pick - looks like GT6 annoyed him more!
Cheers!
Dan
Nope, still don't get it. So why use a picture that is divorced from the story? confused

fuchsiasteve

329 posts

208 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Brilliant call re GT6 being the biggest disappointment! Couldn't agree more. Utter dross! Haha

Geeks will tell you it's a simulator but it ain't. Nothing at all like the real thing and the engine sounds are still crap!

LSsupercar

400 posts

158 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Baryonyx said:
Some still do! But the benefits of FI were pretty obvious at the time and didn't instantaneously spoil cars - you could still have FI and a cable throttle and have a super clean, snappy throttle response. Whereas paddle shifts are great for pensioners and feckless idiots who can't handle a manual, but can leave the enthusiast cold.
Someone needs to coin a new term for the manual driver's massive superiority complex.