DIY braided brake lines ?

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texaxile

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3,290 posts

150 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Hi,
I want to change all the lines on the lancer for braided, getting them made up is going to be expensive, so I'm considering the DIY approach.
Can anyone suggest a good supplier of all the parts I need? Basically a good few M of hose plus associated male and female ends.
I won't be tackling the job as a complete novice as I've done a few bikes before but not a car, and I do have help if needed.

Cheers
Pete.

stevieturbo

17,262 posts

247 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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Take your pick.

Earls, Torques, Goodridge, Aeroquip etc etc

There are dozens of makes about these days.

But, whilst it doesnt seem to be enforced that much, DIY screw together brake lines are not supposed to pass MOT. They should be crimped together. SO that sort of rules out DIY construction.

But there would likely be a shop local to you that could do this for you, or just measure and spec what you need and a retailer can do it.

Custom lines shouldnt be any more expensive than factory really.

I just got a pair made on Friday, 2 black lines approx 50cm each with male M10x1.0 ends for £32 locally.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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texaxile said:
Hi,
I want to change all the lines on the lancer for braided, getting them made up is going to be expensive,
Can't you just buy a kit of pre-made lines for your car?

PaulKemp

979 posts

145 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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Russ Bost of Furore will make to order at a very good price and he has the right gear to swage pipes on the fittings
I would not do my own brake pipes as I value my life

Pistom

4,967 posts

159 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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I'm not sure what kit is available for making braided hoses at home but on crimped fittings the crimping procedure is critical.

How do you pressure test home made hoses?

I'm all for DIY but monkeys could make hoses with the right equipment and it costs peanuts to get a local firm to do it properly with their equipment.

texaxile

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3,290 posts

150 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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Hi,
Thanks for the replies. My main reason is being able to route the lines the way I want, get the right length and then make them up. I expect I'll do as suggested, find a local company which might offer a discount for several. Deffo going to be a case of measure twice and cut once.
The crimped hoses are flexis which have been replaced with factory items anyway, it was the pitted metal ones that need doing.

I've had them made before by " earls" , to the best of my knowledge the hoses weren't pressure tested, merely made up and handed over.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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texaxile said:
Hi,
Thanks for the replies. My main reason is being able to route the lines the way I want, get the right length and then make them up. I expect I'll do as suggested, find a local company which might offer a discount for several. Deffo going to be a case of measure twice and cut once.
The crimped hoses are flexis which have been replaced with factory items anyway, it was the pitted metal ones that need doing.
Don't replace hard lines with flexible ones, that is an utter waste of money and can only make the pedal feel more spongy.

stevieturbo

17,262 posts

247 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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There is nothing stopping you making the hoses DIY, they are easy to do and all the parts are readily available.
But as I said, they are not supposed to pass an MOT, although rarely would they fail.

Hell, for a long time, some branded kits were sold made in exactly the same way.

As for replacing solid with braided...some rally cars use braided throughout.


Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Monday 6th January 2014
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stevieturbo said:
As for replacing solid with braided...some rally cars use braided throughout.
Yes, mainly done by the clueless and those with too much money. I helped replace all the aeroquip fitted to a classic MG Midget competition car with cupro-nickel line a few years back as the owner couldn't get a hard pedal. It was perfect afterwards.

PaulKemp

979 posts

145 months

Tuesday 7th January 2014
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Making up netal brake pipe at home is easy and safe
Making braided is not
I would go to Russ at Furore or a local company such as Hydrahose

texaxile

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3,290 posts

150 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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Cheers Chaps,

Given what I've read I've changed my plans, the NLA Flexis I'll get done in braided, and just replace the metal ones like for like.
I was going to do most of the lines in braided for aesthetic looks and also being able to forget about them once done. I'd also read elsewhere that braided gives a better pedal and sharper response. As this might not be the case I'll simply give the metals a thin coating of oil or clear Bilt Hamber when it comes to the underside.

Thanks for your advice guys, probably saved me a lot of hassle and unnecessary mucking about in the long run.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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PaulKemp said:
I would go to Russ at Furore or a local company such as Hydrahose
Bit late, but I'd definately do this. Furore does them for 15 quid each as I recall, and all the ends and colours you could possibly want.

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

161 months

Friday 10th January 2014
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Having run my 7 with 90%stainless braided pipes for 10 years and no probs I fail to understand why they should be a problem i.e. soft pedal etc ! certainlly no as cheap as metal pipes but thats only a prob if you are on a tight budget

mrmr96

13,736 posts

204 months

Friday 10th January 2014
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texaxile said:
I'd also read elsewhere that braided gives a better pedal and sharper response. As this might not be the case I'll simply give the metals a thin coating of oil or clear Bilt Hamber when it comes to the underside.
I find it hard to believe that braided would be better than metal when metal is an option. The braids minimuse the pressure loss in a rubber hose where flexibility is required, but it's still a rubber hose and will have some 'give' in it. Metal on the other hand, will not flex or give at all so pressure will be maintained prefectly.

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

161 months

Saturday 11th January 2014
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S/S braided pipe do not use rubber , but ptfe there is no measurable expansion under pressure ,the braiding is for protection as said in previous posts there must be thousands of cars both competition and road using them with no probs my own included

mrmr96

13,736 posts

204 months

Saturday 11th January 2014
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Ok fair comment, but still doens't mean it's better than steel pipes.

CoolHands

18,630 posts

195 months

Saturday 11th January 2014
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venhill make up hoses to any size if they don't have your vehicle listed

http://www.venhill.co.uk/Hoses_&_Cables_-_...

G600

1,479 posts

187 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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mrmr96 said:
Ok fair comment, but still doens't mean it's better than steel pipes.
I think that's a misunderstanding, they will be better than the standard rubber lines they normally replace, not solid lines.

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

161 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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mrmr96 said:
Ok fair comment, but still doens't mean it's better than steel pipes.
They don't rust !

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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one eyed mick said:
S/S braided pipe do not use rubber , but ptfe there is no measurable expansion under pressure ,the braiding is for protection as said in previous posts there must be thousands of cars both competition and road using them with no probs my own included
So what advantage is there in having flexible lines throughout, rather than just where they are needed?