The GT3 and RS avoidance thread!
Discussion
Its the 'key to values' part of it that really sucks. These are incredible machines designed to be driven, they are just a few years old and its already all about the values. Its a shame.
Truth is that particular car is incredible. Yes it is aggressively set up suspension wise but the shorter gear ratios make it incredibly punchy out of the corners. I have a friend with a grey/red Gen II RS and we drag raced from 20 up to about a tonne and each time I edged him plus I had a passenger, he didn't. In fact it would make mince meat of my replacement car (Stradale) on track but that's another topic. For me the mods are only improvements IF you want to drive the thing. If not then yes, buy stock, have less performance, polish it, stick it in the garage, watch it grow in value and eventually die. Life is short.
If they continue to go up in value, just convert it back to stock using the 10-15k you now seem to be saving by buying it modified and in a few years time it'll be just another black and orange stock RS. Oh and btw the mods were done around 15k miles so they all have plenty of life to enjoy. 21.5k - 26k were me and those were entirely road miles.
I also don't see the gripe against the dealer's pricing strategy. They tried it on, it didn't work and now its available at a better price again. Great. I'd try it on also if I were them during the summer months. Every other dealer is doing the same. 169k for a Gen II, please, they are great cars yes but I'd take this one every day and put the 80k saving towards another one. One to drive and one to polish : )
Truth is that particular car is incredible. Yes it is aggressively set up suspension wise but the shorter gear ratios make it incredibly punchy out of the corners. I have a friend with a grey/red Gen II RS and we drag raced from 20 up to about a tonne and each time I edged him plus I had a passenger, he didn't. In fact it would make mince meat of my replacement car (Stradale) on track but that's another topic. For me the mods are only improvements IF you want to drive the thing. If not then yes, buy stock, have less performance, polish it, stick it in the garage, watch it grow in value and eventually die. Life is short.
If they continue to go up in value, just convert it back to stock using the 10-15k you now seem to be saving by buying it modified and in a few years time it'll be just another black and orange stock RS. Oh and btw the mods were done around 15k miles so they all have plenty of life to enjoy. 21.5k - 26k were me and those were entirely road miles.
I also don't see the gripe against the dealer's pricing strategy. They tried it on, it didn't work and now its available at a better price again. Great. I'd try it on also if I were them during the summer months. Every other dealer is doing the same. 169k for a Gen II, please, they are great cars yes but I'd take this one every day and put the 80k saving towards another one. One to drive and one to polish : )
RED110T said:
Its the 'key to values' part of it that really sucks. These are incredible machines designed to be driven, they are just a few years old and its already all about the values. Its a shame.
Truth is that particular car is incredible. Yes it is aggressively set up suspension wise but the shorter gear ratios make it incredibly punchy out of the corners. I have a friend with a grey/red Gen II RS and we drag raced from 20 up to about a tonne and each time I edged him plus I had a passenger, he didn't. In fact it would make mince meat of my replacement car (Stradale) on track but that's another topic. For me the mods are only improvements IF you want to drive the thing. If not then yes, buy stock, have less performance, polish it, stick it in the garage, watch it grow in value and eventually die. Life is short.
If they continue to go up in value, just convert it back to stock using the 10-15k you now seem to be saving by buying it modified and in a few years time it'll be just another black and orange stock RS. Oh and btw the mods were done around 15k miles so they all have plenty of life to enjoy. 21.5k - 26k were me and those were entirely road miles.
I also don't see the gripe against the dealer's pricing strategy. They tried it on, it didn't work and now its available at a better price again. Great. I'd try it on also if I were them during the summer months. Every other dealer is doing the same. 169k for a Gen II, please, they are great cars yes but I'd take this one every day and put the 80k saving towards another one. One to drive and one to polish : )
I think we would enjoy a few beers. Truth is that particular car is incredible. Yes it is aggressively set up suspension wise but the shorter gear ratios make it incredibly punchy out of the corners. I have a friend with a grey/red Gen II RS and we drag raced from 20 up to about a tonne and each time I edged him plus I had a passenger, he didn't. In fact it would make mince meat of my replacement car (Stradale) on track but that's another topic. For me the mods are only improvements IF you want to drive the thing. If not then yes, buy stock, have less performance, polish it, stick it in the garage, watch it grow in value and eventually die. Life is short.
If they continue to go up in value, just convert it back to stock using the 10-15k you now seem to be saving by buying it modified and in a few years time it'll be just another black and orange stock RS. Oh and btw the mods were done around 15k miles so they all have plenty of life to enjoy. 21.5k - 26k were me and those were entirely road miles.
I also don't see the gripe against the dealer's pricing strategy. They tried it on, it didn't work and now its available at a better price again. Great. I'd try it on also if I were them during the summer months. Every other dealer is doing the same. 169k for a Gen II, please, they are great cars yes but I'd take this one every day and put the 80k saving towards another one. One to drive and one to polish : )
Cheers!
One last thought for what it's worth. Weren't the Gen 1 997 RS's criticised for not being set apart enough from the standard GT3s and when compared to the more mechanical 996 RS's. Well here is a hardcore 997 RS that is very much set apart from the standard GT3, problem solved : )
All this said though I do understand the fear of buying a modified car and can relate to it. But as long as they have been done properly (all work on this one was JZM supported by 20k+ of receipts excluding maintenence) and as long as can get comfortable with how its been driven (this car is rev band 1 only) and have a full PPI then really its a bargain for someone. I actually want it back but am moving abroad for a couple years so not the right time....
One last thought for what it's worth. Weren't the Gen 1 997 RS's criticised for not being set apart enough from the standard GT3s and when compared to the more mechanical 996 RS's. Well here is a hardcore 997 RS that is very much set apart from the standard GT3, problem solved : )
All this said though I do understand the fear of buying a modified car and can relate to it. But as long as they have been done properly (all work on this one was JZM supported by 20k+ of receipts excluding maintenence) and as long as can get comfortable with how its been driven (this car is rev band 1 only) and have a full PPI then really its a bargain for someone. I actually want it back but am moving abroad for a couple years so not the right time....
RED110T said:
Cheers!
One last thought for what it's worth. Weren't the Gen 1 997 RS's criticised for not being set apart enough from the standard GT3s and when compared to the more mechanical 996 RS's. Well here is a hardcore 997 RS that is very much set apart from the standard GT3, problem solved : )
All this said though I do understand the fear of buying a modified car and can relate to it. But as long as they have been done properly (all work on this one was JZM supported by 20k+ of receipts excluding maintenence) and as long as can get comfortable with how its been driven (this car is rev band 1 only) and have a full PPI then really its a bargain for someone. I actually want it back but am moving abroad for a couple years so not the right time....
Is fear of modification quite a UK thing - across the pond some people take cars straight from the dealer to places like Fabspeed and Sharkwerks to get mods done - we're a bit more reticent about that over here One last thought for what it's worth. Weren't the Gen 1 997 RS's criticised for not being set apart enough from the standard GT3s and when compared to the more mechanical 996 RS's. Well here is a hardcore 997 RS that is very much set apart from the standard GT3, problem solved : )
All this said though I do understand the fear of buying a modified car and can relate to it. But as long as they have been done properly (all work on this one was JZM supported by 20k+ of receipts excluding maintenence) and as long as can get comfortable with how its been driven (this car is rev band 1 only) and have a full PPI then really its a bargain for someone. I actually want it back but am moving abroad for a couple years so not the right time....
Shep911 said:
Is fear of modification quite a UK thing - across the pond some people take cars straight from the dealer to places like Fabspeed and Sharkwerks to get mods done - we're a bit more reticent about that over here
It certainly seems that way. The whole idea of losing extended warranties and 'Porsche know best' that is often spouted across the UK forums is not so prevalent to overseas Porsche owners. For instance, the tuning market in Germany for Porsches is huge compared to the UK. I am certainly in a minority in that I would prefer a GT3 that has been worked on to improve the generic base that Porsche created. The stock GT3 and RS, although fantastic cars, can be massively improved upon with some carefully chosen modification and development. The likes of Manthey and Teichmann Racing are seen as god like in Germany and anything they do to your car is seen as a bonus and not in anyway detrimental. The fact you have a Manthey or Teichmann package adds value. In the UK this seems to scare people off for some strange reason 
Its beyond me. Very few cars have ever been built like the GT3 (996/7). Comparable cars would be cars like the 250GTO, DTypre, CType, F40, 288GTO, F40, Stratos, 993GT2, 911ST and the Mclaren F1. All were built as/from racing cars and it is more likely to see one modified ( especially if they have had a competition history) than to see one not. Almost all racing cars are modified so that they might take advantage for the regulations of whatever championship they are racing in at the time. That's motorsport. Cars evolve with technology and reg changes.
Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
Edited by Steve Rance on Thursday 18th December 10:42
Steve Rance said:
Its beyond me. Very few cars have ever been built like the GT3 (996/7). Comparable cars would be cars like the 250GTO, DTypre, CType, F40, 288GTO, F40, Stratos and the Mclaren F1. All were built as/from racing cars and it is more likely to see one modified ( especially if they have had a competition history) than to see one not. Almost all racing cars are modified so that they might take advantage for the regulations of whatever championship they are racing in at the time. That's motorsport. Cars evolve with technology and reg changes.
Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
Couldn't have put it better myself Steve and many thanks for the compliment about the car, I'll get the beers in if you are ever in my neck of the woods Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
I think it may have something to do with less track orientated buyers in the UK. The UK buyer seems more astute and aware of the global market factors and how this can impinge on their future asset value. Modding for some unknown reason has an adverse effect on Porsche whereas like you say, an F40 with a different set of turbo's or manifolds would probably increase in value. Strange world
Edited by Richie200 on Thursday 18th December 10:54
Why has st and gt2 gone missing? From the list on the repost.
Its not fair to compare with that list of cars,the end of the day the gt3 is a mass produced road car with a gt theme,and dam good road car at that,saying that the f40 was certainly mass produced,now standard factory f40 cars are the valuable collectable ones undisturbed by who ever.
Why not go from the other direction and tame a cup car for the road,at least you know what you are getting and modified by porsche!,not modified by some of the companies who are regularly mentioned.I have trouble trusting a lot of companies in the uk and would not use most to modify any of my cars that i am driving at high speeds.
Its not fair to compare with that list of cars,the end of the day the gt3 is a mass produced road car with a gt theme,and dam good road car at that,saying that the f40 was certainly mass produced,now standard factory f40 cars are the valuable collectable ones undisturbed by who ever.
Why not go from the other direction and tame a cup car for the road,at least you know what you are getting and modified by porsche!,not modified by some of the companies who are regularly mentioned.I have trouble trusting a lot of companies in the uk and would not use most to modify any of my cars that i am driving at high speeds.
Yellow491 said:
Why has st and gt2 gone missing? From the list on the repost.
No idea Y491, I just clicked the quote icon. I'd like to commend you on your powers of observation though. Were you the Krypton Factor Grand Champion in your formative days 
ETA: Onto your other point; the problem with buying a Racecar for conversion is the chassis has been through so many fatigue cycles. This is not something that can be easily rectified other than by serious measures such as a re-shell. With the GT3 or RS as a base, the chassis would not have been subjected to a constant 110% barrage. Also immense pleasure is had from the pursuit; I have almost as much fun developing my cars as I do in the actual driving.
Edited by Richie200 on Thursday 18th December 11:46
Richie200 said:
No idea Y491, I just clicked the quote icon. I'd like to commend you on your powers of observation though. Were you the Krypton Factor Grand Champion in your formative days
ETA: Onto your other point; the problem with buying a Racecar for conversion is the chassis has been through so many fatigue cycles. This is not something that can be easily rectified other than by serious measures such as a re-shell. With the GT3 or RS as a base, the chassis would not have been subjected to a constant 110% barrage. Also immense pleasure is had from the pursuit; I have almost as much fun developing my cars as I do in the actual driving.
I remember you stripping, cleaning and rebuilding your S14 engine in the kitchen... Shame you had to break the S13 too...ETA: Onto your other point; the problem with buying a Racecar for conversion is the chassis has been through so many fatigue cycles. This is not something that can be easily rectified other than by serious measures such as a re-shell. With the GT3 or RS as a base, the chassis would not have been subjected to a constant 110% barrage. Also immense pleasure is had from the pursuit; I have almost as much fun developing my cars as I do in the actual driving.
Edited by Richie200 on Thursday 18th December 11:46
Roll on next year at the Ring! ;-)
Yellow491 said:
Why has st and gt2 gone missing? From the list on the repost.
Its not fair to compare with that list of cars,the end of the day the gt3 is a mass produced road car with a gt theme,and dam good road car at that,saying that the f40 was certainly mass produced,now standard factory f40 cars are the valuable collectable ones undisturbed by who ever.
Why not go from the other direction and tame a cup car for the road,at least you know what you are getting and modified by porsche!,not modified by some of the companies who are regularly mentioned.I have trouble trusting a lot of companies in the uk and would not use most to modify any of my cars that i am driving at high speeds.
I added them a few minutes after the original post realising my error. I think Richard replied before the edit. There are a few more porkers that may qualify to be added to that list. It wasn't meant to be definitive. just trying to make a pointIts not fair to compare with that list of cars,the end of the day the gt3 is a mass produced road car with a gt theme,and dam good road car at that,saying that the f40 was certainly mass produced,now standard factory f40 cars are the valuable collectable ones undisturbed by who ever.
Why not go from the other direction and tame a cup car for the road,at least you know what you are getting and modified by porsche!,not modified by some of the companies who are regularly mentioned.I have trouble trusting a lot of companies in the uk and would not use most to modify any of my cars that i am driving at high speeds.
Its just the st and gt2 are very special and few made,having owned both cars.
I realise its not a definative list
There are plenty of good cup chassis to be had if you take your time finding the right car,the 996 suffered a fair amount of fatigue,the 997 seems to cope better from what i have seen.
I realise its not a definative list
There are plenty of good cup chassis to be had if you take your time finding the right car,the 996 suffered a fair amount of fatigue,the 997 seems to cope better from what i have seen.
Yellow491 said:
Its just the st and gt2 are very special and few made,having owned both cars.
I realise its not a definative list
There are plenty of good cup chassis to be had if you take your time finding the right car,the 996 suffered a fair amount of fatigue,the 997 seems to cope better from what i have seen.
Agreed. The 993GT2 is one of my all time favourite Porsches. Just a stunning car. It would be interesting to work out how many other 911's we could add to the list. The 964 and 993 Clubsports need to go on I would imagine? Were the IROC cars ever road registered? Wasn't the 3.0RS (74?) homologated?I realise its not a definative list
There are plenty of good cup chassis to be had if you take your time finding the right car,the 996 suffered a fair amount of fatigue,the 997 seems to cope better from what i have seen.
I think that Porsche have possibly brought more Homologated Road registered cars to market than any other manufacturer. Would be interesting to find out
Steve Rance said:
Its beyond me. Very few cars have ever been built like the GT3 (996/7). Comparable cars would be cars like the 250GTO, DTypre, CType, F40, 288GTO, F40, Stratos, 993GT2, 911ST and the Mclaren F1. All were built as/from racing cars and it is more likely to see one modified ( especially if they have had a competition history) than to see one not. Almost all racing cars are modified so that they might take advantage for the regulations of whatever championship they are racing in at the time. That's motorsport. Cars evolve with technology and reg changes.
Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
Here here, fully concur with that!Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
Edited by Steve Rance on Thursday 18th December 10:42
Richie200 said:
Shep911 said:
Is fear of modification quite a UK thing - across the pond some people take cars straight from the dealer to places like Fabspeed and Sharkwerks to get mods done - we're a bit more reticent about that over here
It certainly seems that way. The whole idea of losing extended warranties and 'Porsche know best' that is often spouted across the UK forums is not so prevalent to overseas Porsche owners. For instance, the tuning market in Germany for Porsches is huge compared to the UK. I am certainly in a minority in that I would prefer a GT3 that has been worked on to improve the generic base that Porsche created. The stock GT3 and RS, although fantastic cars, can be massively improved upon with some carefully chosen modification and development. The likes of Manthey and Teichmann Racing are seen as god like in Germany and anything they do to your car is seen as a bonus and not in anyway detrimental. The fact you have a Manthey or Teichmann package adds value. In the UK this seems to scare people off for some strange reason HOWEVER, all designers have to incorporate an element of compromise into their designs eg road vs track focus, top speed vs acceleration, comfort vs rawness etc etc So whilst the base car is unquestionably great, it just cannot be all things to all people. One big thing I never understand is why have a car geared to do 195mph when one geared to do 'only' 180 will be notably quicker from 0-100?? Porsche need to be able to show a supercar top speed but its irrelevant in the real world, so fix it....
I bought my RS because I wanted to feel like the car was a part of me and to effectively feel like I was in a race car everytime I turned the key. Hence i went for a modified one. I wanted there to be no question at all that this was an RS and not a GT3 Comfort..... There is a sliding scale of preferences as to how far you want to take this namely 997 Carerra to GT3 Comfort to GT3 Clubsport to GT3 RS to modified RS to Cup Car modified for the road. I personally sit a little further along the scale than most others on this forum but that is just my choice. I also draw the line at coverting a race car for the same reason cited above. Point is, so what if my car is modified and I sell it to someone else who sits on the same place in the scale as me, it doesn't make it a lesser car, just one suited to that particular driver.
At the end of the day, a GT3 RS is NOT Porsche's best attempt at building a hardcore track focussed car, it is rather their best attempt at building a hardcore compromise...
Shep911 said:
grale23 said:
erm……isn't this the Avoidance thread not the mutual appreciation one…. although I do agree with you all.
Sometimes it's nice to talk about positive things......... 
Richie200 said:
Steve Rance said:
Its beyond me. Very few cars have ever been built like the GT3 (996/7). Comparable cars would be cars like the 250GTO, DTypre, CType, F40, 288GTO, F40, Stratos and the Mclaren F1. All were built as/from racing cars and it is more likely to see one modified ( especially if they have had a competition history) than to see one not. Almost all racing cars are modified so that they might take advantage for the regulations of whatever championship they are racing in at the time. That's motorsport. Cars evolve with technology and reg changes.
Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
Couldn't have put it better myself Steve and many thanks for the compliment about the car, I'll get the beers in if you are ever in my neck of the woods Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
I think it may have something to do with less track orientated buyers in the UK. The UK buyer seems more astute and aware of the global market factors and how this can impinge on their future asset value. Modding for some unknown reason has an adverse effect on Porsche whereas like you say, an F40 with a different set of turbo's or manifolds would probably increase in value. Strange world
Edited by Richie200 on Thursday 18th December 10:54
You upgraded your GT3 how dare you decide to individualize YOUR car lolGood on you sir there really aren't enough people like you when I buy a car Porsche or otherwise I want it to stand out nothing over the top but if I park up somewhere mine will stand out.
People like the idea of a modified Porsche in the UK but have been brain washed by the standard is best brigade, the mags & TV don't help with this with the "steer clear of one that's been modified" statement they usually roll out when giving advice about buying secondhand.
Where do they think AMG, Alpina, Brabus, Cooper, Ruf, Techart, & Manthey came from?
A GT3RS isn't a race car for the road, I recently supplied a customer with a Carrera with lots of Carrera Cup parts fitted to it, steering, suspension, engine, front & rear aerodynamics plus a load of other stuff you can't see now that's a race car for the road.
His reasoning for buying the car was simple this is a car he can now drive & enjoy without worrying about resale values because he's actually driving it putting miles on it taking it to trackdays and using it as intended. Plus it only cost 58k for a car that's more focused & even more fun to drive than a GT3RS.
At the end of the day that's why pistonheads exists because people decided that they (people that modified cars) wanted to have a place where they could share advice & celebrate their individualism, now it seems the majority are championing standard. How Ironic lol
As a side bar if ever I come across a LHD modified Porsche or otherwise they sell twice as fast as a modified RHD one.
The gt3 or rs are hard core nothing,and effortless to drive great road cars.which is what porsche do best and are the experts in porsche build and marketing.
If you want to make a 997 a good track car,get the weight down firstly,correct dampers and springs for your chosen use,non abs,traditional throttle,non power steering,non traction control and stability and you then might just feel what is going on,or convert a cup car.
I keep thinking about the tuthill conversion tarmac rally car,its awesome,150 flat out,not much good for fuel economy though.
The 3.0 rs was a homoligated special,road car.From memory Iroc was not,but some got to be road registered,they were outside the fia.
If you want to make a 997 a good track car,get the weight down firstly,correct dampers and springs for your chosen use,non abs,traditional throttle,non power steering,non traction control and stability and you then might just feel what is going on,or convert a cup car.
I keep thinking about the tuthill conversion tarmac rally car,its awesome,150 flat out,not much good for fuel economy though.
The 3.0 rs was a homoligated special,road car.From memory Iroc was not,but some got to be road registered,they were outside the fia.
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