British public wrong about nearly everything...

British public wrong about nearly everything...

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carinaman

21,210 posts

171 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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carinaman said:
It would be interested what the results would be if the asked a number of MP's the same question.

Also I would imagine that your answers are based on each persons experience, if you lived in London and were white,Christian your reply to the survey would be different to a person living in a little village in the dales, the variation in data across the country makes this type of survey pointless.

wolves_wanderer

12,356 posts

236 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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PRTVR said:
Also I would imagine that your answers are based on each persons experience, if you lived in London and were white,Christian your reply to the survey would be different to a person living in a little village in the dales, the variation in data across the country makes this type of survey pointless.
Not really. The whole point is to find out if people's perceptions are in line with reality. Finding that they aren't is unsurprising although you do have a point that it would be interesting to see a further breakdown by age/ politics etc

PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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wolves_wanderer said:
PRTVR said:
Also I would imagine that your answers are based on each persons experience, if you lived in London and were white,Christian your reply to the survey would be different to a person living in a little village in the dales, the variation in data across the country makes this type of survey pointless.
Not really. The whole point is to find out if people's perceptions are in line with reality. Finding that they aren't is unsurprising although you do have a point that it would be interesting to see a further breakdown by age/ politics etc
But the reality is variable, depending on where you live, to give a % for the whole country is meaningless apart from to prove a point that things are not as bad as people perceive, but could actually be worse on a local level.

anonymous-user

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53 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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The irony of the Mail publishing this cannot have been lost on the journos. There are some suitably tinfoil comments on the page from those who don't believe the figures. After all, 247% of the population consists of gay muslim asylum seeker paedophiles, as any fule kno.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
The irony of the Mail publishing this cannot have been lost on the journos. There are some suitably tinfoil comments on the page from those who don't believe the figures. After all, 247% of the population consists of gay muslim asylum seeker paedophiles, as any fule kno.
247% ? Thats down by 8% from last year. Great news.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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carinaman said:
It would be interesting to to see if results like these correlated with the incidence of stories covering those subjects in the tabloids or on TV.

I reckon you would find that where public perception differed significantly from the true value - you would find a strong correlation.

Terminator X

14,920 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Common knowledge that the Muslims are out to kill us though, all terrorists of course ...

TX.

ATG

20,480 posts

271 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Did anyone else see Baby P: The Untold Story ... on iPlayer ... BBC1?

Interesting, depressing, not very surprising. An object lesson in a large section of the general public becoming "the mob" 18th century stylee egged on by the Press, and everyone including Offsted and Ed no-Balls running scared.

Summings up given by the chair woman of the serious case review and by the chair of the select committee ought to be dwelt on by an awful lot of people.

carinaman

21,210 posts

171 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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ATG said:
Did anyone else see Baby P: The Untold Story ... on iPlayer ... BBC1?
I've not seen it. Did it mention that Doctor at Great Ormond Street Hospital that blew the whistle on staffing levels or cuts?

ATG

20,480 posts

271 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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carinaman said:
I've not seen it. Did it mention that Doctor at Great Ormond Street Hospital that blew the whistle on staffing levels or cuts?
Yes. Interviewed several of the consultants who worked there.

Sounded like Gt Ormond St had stepped up to the plate to try to provide paediatric services in Haringey when no one else was prepared to do it after the Climbie case, but then failed to deliver.

carinaman

21,210 posts

171 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Thank you for the reply ATG. I heard that a female Doctor that tried to improve matters got the rough end of the stick. I'll try to watch it on iplayer.

ClaphamGT3

11,269 posts

242 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
The irony of the Mail publishing this cannot have been lost on the journos. There are some suitably tinfoil comments on the page from those who don't believe the figures. After all, 247% of the population consists of gay muslim asylum seeker paedophiles, as any fule kno.
All of whom are also sleepers, programmed to respond to a trigger-word to sell their houses at below market bpvalue, thus precipitating a house price crash

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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I'd hate to think that anything had gone wrong at Great Ormond Street.

I had a lot of contact with them 27 years ago, and they were absolutely fantastic.

All of the staff were one grade below where they would have been in a normal NHS hospital. That meant that they were earning less than they could have been earning.

They were saints. I am not worthy to kiss their feet.

Lovely.. lovely... people.


ATG

20,480 posts

271 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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It was at an outpost of Great Ormond St. They were trying to provide paediatric services from a unit called St Anne's (I think). Was struggling badly when it had 4 consultants. By the time the Baby P situation was coming to a head, it was down to one full time consultant and one locum in a consultant role but without any real experience of paediatric medicine. Sounded like cooperation between the unit and its management had broken down a long time before and that no one had managed to get to grips with the problems.

carinaman

21,210 posts

171 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Thanks for the heads up ATG. All pretty shocking stuff. Why did GOSH provide resource to St Ann's and then not support it properly? It could seem that they may have wanted the money to provide that service and then not support that service properly. Good for Dr Holt not selling her silence and soul for £120K.

ATG

20,480 posts

271 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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I'd hazard a guess that St Anne's kept slipping down their priority queue because it was a phone call away rather than right under their noses, and the more intractable its problems became, the less anyone was incentivised to sort them out.

And, yes, all credit to her for having some principles and backbone.

carinaman

21,210 posts

171 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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What with all the Wail bashing and orange celebrity flesh and side boobs on their website at least they sponsored this:

http://www.stephenlawrence.org.uk/news/theresa-may...