Oh please please.... Piers Morgan questioned over phone hack
Discussion
98elise said:
ClassicMotorNut said:
simoid said:
Might as well include those thefts where people are too stupid to lock their doors, too. That'll save some police resources.
To be honest, I'd be for that. It takes a right idiot to leave their property or go to bed without securing their house. A good burglary might knock some sense into them.Not much different to leaving your voice mail with the standard security number.
the right one would be buying a new door, and leaving the key in the lock
no picking the lock required as you have left the key in it.
this is not hacking, it's just opportunism, hacking would involve some underhand geekery to either crack the password or circumvent it.
Like I said, if you a celeb and you're too stupid to set a decent password, tough, yes it's not right that others do this, but be honest, what do you expect? it's hardly the crime of the century is it?
it's not like the NSA hacking Angela Merkel's cellphone is it? (and do you see them in court?)
ClassicMotorNut said:
simoid said:
Might as well include those thefts where people are too stupid to lock their doors, too. That'll save some police resources.
To be honest, I'd be for that. It takes a right idiot to leave their property or go to bed without securing their house. A good burglary might knock some sense into them.
t, you should be able to leave your doors unlocked and still not have anything stolen. We used to leave the keys in the car outside overnight and the car was still there in the morning. People are getting conditioned to the idea that "you didn't lock it you are to blame" NO ! the person stealing it is in the wrong.
Locking stuff up is why it takes me 20 minutes to open and close up at work everyday and is a total waste of time that could be prevented if people would keep their hands off stuff that does not belong to them.
As for Morgan, if he has been involved in illegal snooping then he needs punishing, you cannot do what you want in this society and people need reminding of this once in a while.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Saturday 15th February 08:27
Scuffers said:
not quite the accurate analogy though
the right one would be buying a new door, and leaving the key in the lock
no picking the lock required as you have left the key in it.
this is not hacking, it's just opportunism, hacking would involve some underhand geekery to either crack the password or circumvent it.
Like I said, if you a celeb and you're too stupid to set a decent password, tough, yes it's not right that others do this, but be honest, what do you expect? it's hardly the crime of the century is it?
it's not like the NSA hacking Angela Merkel's cellphone is it? (and do you see them in court?)
So when someone steals a BMW using an off the shelf key coder then they are not guilty of theftthe right one would be buying a new door, and leaving the key in the lock
no picking the lock required as you have left the key in it.
this is not hacking, it's just opportunism, hacking would involve some underhand geekery to either crack the password or circumvent it.
Like I said, if you a celeb and you're too stupid to set a decent password, tough, yes it's not right that others do this, but be honest, what do you expect? it's hardly the crime of the century is it?
it's not like the NSA hacking Angela Merkel's cellphone is it? (and do you see them in court?)
McWigglebum4th said:
So when someone steals a BMW using an off the shelf key coder then they are not guilty of theft
not at all, I am in no way suggesting otherwise.My point is this this is not really hacking, it's opportunistic eavesdropping, and yes it's a crime.
However, much as I dislike Morgan, it's hardly up there as crime of the century but because it involved some celebs having their dirty secrets aired, it's suddenly having millions spent on it, whilst at the same time, we are being told the Police don't have the money to deal with normal crime stuff that actually has real impact on real people.
Getragdogleg said:
Don't be a tt, you should be able to leave your doors unlocked and still not have anything stolen. We used to leave the keys in the car outside overnight and the car was still there in the morning.
People are getting conditioned to the idea that "you didn't lock it you are to blame" NO ! the person stealing it is in the wrong.
Locking stuff up is why it takes me 20 minutes to open and close up at work everyday and is a total waste of time that could be prevented if people would keep their hands off stuff that does not belong to them.
As for Morgan, if he has been involved in illegal snooping then he needs punishing, you cannot do what you want in this society and people need reminding of this once in a while.
I didn't say that you should not be able to leave your doors unlocked, nor did I say that the thief was in the right and I agree that Morgan should be punished. Unless you live in The Vicar of Dibley, however, you are leaving yourselves open to a robbery that could easily be avoided so the police would be better off issuing you with a 'Basic House Safety Precautions for Idiots' talk and complementary leaflet. I don't like the fact that you can't leave your house unlocked, but it's a fact all the same.t, you should be able to leave your doors unlocked and still not have anything stolen. We used to leave the keys in the car outside overnight and the car was still there in the morning. People are getting conditioned to the idea that "you didn't lock it you are to blame" NO ! the person stealing it is in the wrong.
Locking stuff up is why it takes me 20 minutes to open and close up at work everyday and is a total waste of time that could be prevented if people would keep their hands off stuff that does not belong to them.
As for Morgan, if he has been involved in illegal snooping then he needs punishing, you cannot do what you want in this society and people need reminding of this once in a while.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Saturday 15th February 08:27
I don't know about your work but I don't think it takes 20 minutes to lock and unlock the average house. Also, with regards to your car, I'd guess that you don't live anywhere near a council estate or your car was just a complete heap of crap.
Scuffers said:
My point is this this is not really hacking, it's opportunistic eavesdropping, and yes it's a crime.
"Opportunistic eavesdropping" is when Mr Morgan is having lunch with Daniel Craig and overhears Sienna's message as Mr Craig retrieves his voicemails.Dialling into Mr Craig's voicemail using his mobile number and default password without his permission is not opportunistic.
I've worked as a magazine editor for many years. If one of my reporters had misrepresented himself to get a story, or gained unauthorised access to someone's private files his feet wouldn't have touched ground as he left the building.
If Morgan ends up doing a stretch at HM's pleasure it would not be one of life's greatest injustices.
audidoody said:
I've worked as a magazine editor for many years. If one of my reporters had misrepresented himself to get a story, or gained unauthorised access to someone's private files his feet wouldn't have touched ground as he left the building.
Guess your in a minority then as just about every newspaper and magazine has been doing this for years.From Andrew Neils twitter feed.
"Andrew Neil @afneil 7 mins7 minutes ago
High Court: between June 2002 and mid-2006, Mirror Group journalists made nearly 10,000 phone hacking calls to Orange’s voicemail platform."
Incidentally Morgan was editor until the middle of 2004. It's also interesting to note how the mirror's phone hacking isn't getting the same media coverage as Murdoch's lot got.
"Andrew Neil @afneil 7 mins7 minutes ago
High Court: between June 2002 and mid-2006, Mirror Group journalists made nearly 10,000 phone hacking calls to Orange’s voicemail platform."
Incidentally Morgan was editor until the middle of 2004. It's also interesting to note how the mirror's phone hacking isn't getting the same media coverage as Murdoch's lot got.
BlackLabel said:
From Andrew Neils twitter feed.
"Andrew Neil ?@afneil 7 mins7 minutes ago
High Court: between June 2002 and mid-2006, Mirror Group journalists made nearly 10,000 phone hacking calls to Orange’s voicemail platform."
Incidentally Morgan was editor until the middle of 2004. It's also interesting to note how the mirror's phone hacking isn't getting the same media coverage as Murdoch's lot got.
To be fair...the beeb did cover this the other evening (6 o'clock news), but it was a one off - no rolling day-by-day needling, and no Grauniad attack."Andrew Neil ?@afneil 7 mins7 minutes ago
High Court: between June 2002 and mid-2006, Mirror Group journalists made nearly 10,000 phone hacking calls to Orange’s voicemail platform."
Incidentally Morgan was editor until the middle of 2004. It's also interesting to note how the mirror's phone hacking isn't getting the same media coverage as Murdoch's lot got.
The scale of the hacking was substantial - even the beeb reckon it over-shadows the Murdoch empire.
Will Sly Bailey be charged with giving false evidence to Leveson?
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