War with Russia

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AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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cardigankid said:
So far as I am concerned they can go and fk themselves. This is not our war.
so far as they are concerned - you won't be concerned

Langweilig

4,298 posts

210 months

Friday 5th September 2014
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I'm watching Newsnight. There's a story about the NATO summit. The Prime Minister of Denmark - she's a real fittie.

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

223 months

Monday 8th September 2014
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Wow, Russian company advertisement;

"You have the enemies - we have the concrete"



Phil

Silent1

19,761 posts

234 months

Monday 8th September 2014
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Transmitter Man said:
Wow, Russian company advertisement;

"You have the enemies - we have the concrete"



Phil
Brilliant rofl

Blue Oval84

5,276 posts

160 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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Silent1 said:
Transmitter Man said:
Wow, Russian company advertisement;

"You have the enemies - we have the concrete"



Phil
Brilliant rofl
I find it deeply gratifying that we're one of just three countries to be represented on that billboard, not bad for a small island smile

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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I thought Russia said we were a small, irrelevant little island whom nobody listens to?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/r...

Art0ir

9,401 posts

169 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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No mention of Russia threatening to close it's airspace?

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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all these sanctions and contrasanctions are like competition who will be more precise to shoot himself in the foot

raftom

1,196 posts

260 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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Do you think that the government in Ukraine was overthrown in a violent, Western-backed putsch, and the new government in Kyiv is dominated by far-right radicals? Do you suspect that the downing of MH17 was orchestrated by a Kyiv "junta" to garner support for military intervention in Ukraine by the West? Do You think that there has been no armed intervention by the Kremlin in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, with tanks and mercenaries and regular units of the Russian army, and that the war is a purely domestic Ukrainian affair? Do you think that the volunteer battalions fighting on the behalf of the Kyiv government are, to a man, neo-Nazi fascists, hell-bent on subjugating the people of eastern Ukraine, and forcing them to speak Ukrainian rather than Russian?

Then you've been hoodwinked by Kremlin propaganda.

Don't feel too ashamed though: you've been misled by the most sophisticated propaganda machine that the world has ever seen - one that attacks, undermines and emasculates a key source of information that you may rely on: the Western media. As a small part of that media, I'm partly to blame for your being misled, so I owe it to you to explain as best I can how this happened.

The Kremlin propagandists have achieved this propaganda coup in three ways...
Fits like a glove on some of our anti-western friends who indulge in their US/UK/Euro bashing hobby while enjoying the freedoms and riches they provide smile

How Russia Defeated Western Journalism

AreOut

3,658 posts

160 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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I know many here don't like this lad but he is very right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEyWWZrDoTg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjC6UhAM16Y

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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raftom said:
said:
Do you think that the government in Ukraine was overthrown in a violent, Western-backed putsch, and the new government in Kyiv is dominated by far-right radicals? Do you suspect that the downing of MH17 was orchestrated by a Kyiv "junta" to garner support for military intervention in Ukraine by the West? Do You think that there has been no armed intervention by the Kremlin in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, with tanks and mercenaries and regular units of the Russian army, and that the war is a purely domestic Ukrainian affair? Do you think that the volunteer battalions fighting on the behalf of the Kyiv government are, to a man, neo-Nazi fascists, hell-bent on subjugating the people of eastern Ukraine, and forcing them to speak Ukrainian rather than Russian?

Then you've been hoodwinked by Kremlin propaganda.

Don't feel too ashamed though: you've been misled by the most sophisticated propaganda machine that the world has ever seen - one that attacks, undermines and emasculates a key source of information that you may rely on: the Western media. As a small part of that media, I'm partly to blame for your being misled, so I owe it to you to explain as best I can how this happened.

The Kremlin propagandists have achieved this propaganda coup in three ways...
Fits like a glove on some of our anti-western friends who indulge in their US/UK/Euro bashing hobby while enjoying the freedoms and riches they provide smile

How Russia Defeated Western Journalism
I think you need to watch this John Pilger documentary, before accusing the "Kremlin of being the most sophisticated propaganda organisation the world has ever seen".

You might be surprised how biased the reporting you believe as the truth, actually is, and has been for a very long time. The main stream media, be that Russian, UK, USA, Israeli or Hamas etc. are the same beast serving different masters.

Have you forgotten the "Iraqi WMDs" or the "Al Qaeda links to Saddam Hussein" message we were force feed before the invasion of Iraq? Or the "protecting civilians" script before bombing Libya back 100 years and destroying the country? Or the "Assad is the Antichrist, the Syrian freedom fighters are our allies" ? notice a pattern ?

The war they do not want you to see

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 18th September 08:22

raftom

1,196 posts

260 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Congratulations, you win the PH Whataboutery prize of the day.

Compare the degree of skepticism with which we in the west see our own media against Putin's approval ratings. And the freedom our journalists have to call it bull without fear of being murdered on their front door. And the tell us if there is really an equivalence.

raftom

1,196 posts

260 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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As if by coincidence:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29249642

BBC said:
BBC team under attack in southern Russia

A BBC team has been attacked in the southern Russian city of Astrakhan. They had gone to investigate reports of Russian servicemen being killed near the border with Ukraine.

The team's cameraman was beaten up and the camera smashed during the attack. The recorded material left in the car had been deleted, the team found after returning from the police station.

The BBC has lodged a formal protest with Russia over the incident and called for an investigation.The authorities in Astrakhan have launched a criminal case into the attack, Russia's Interfax news agency reports.

Memory cards wiped

The team had just left a cafe in the town when at least three aggressive individuals approached our car, confronting and attacking us, says BBC Moscow correspondent Steve Rosenberg. Using physical violence the men grabbed the camera, smashed it on the road, and then escaped with it in a getaway car. During the scuffle the BBC cameraman was knocked to the ground and beaten.

The team is now safe and back in Moscow. Following the attack, the team spent more than four hours being questioned at a local police station. During that time, the recording equipment left behind in the car was tampered with, our correspondent says. The hard drive of the main computer as well as several memory cards with video material had been wiped clean.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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raftom said:
Congratulations, you win the PH Whataboutery prize of the day.

Compare the degree of skepticism with which we in the west see our own media against Putin's approval ratings. And the freedom our journalists have to call it bull without fear of being murdered on their front door. And the tell us if there is really an equivalence.
Did you watch the documentary ? Clearly not.

You win ironic post of the day.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 18th September 11:16

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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raftom said:
As if by coincidence:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29249642

BBC said:
BBC team under attack in southern Russia

A BBC team has been attacked in the southern Russian city of Astrakhan. They had gone to investigate reports of Russian servicemen being killed near the border with Ukraine.

The team's cameraman was beaten up and the camera smashed during the attack. The recorded material left in the car had been deleted, the team found after returning from the police station.

The BBC has lodged a formal protest with Russia over the incident and called for an investigation.The authorities in Astrakhan have launched a criminal case into the attack, Russia's Interfax news agency reports.

Memory cards wiped

The team had just left a cafe in the town when at least three aggressive individuals approached our car, confronting and attacking us, says BBC Moscow correspondent Steve Rosenberg. Using physical violence the men grabbed the camera, smashed it on the road, and then escaped with it in a getaway car. During the scuffle the BBC cameraman was knocked to the ground and beaten.

The team is now safe and back in Moscow. Following the attack, the team spent more than four hours being questioned at a local police station. During that time, the recording equipment left behind in the car was tampered with, our correspondent says. The hard drive of the main computer as well as several memory cards with video material had been wiped clean.
Your point is ? BBC journalist attacked therefore it shows an unbiased view...

Russian Journalists killed

Oh No, Russian state broadcaster journalists also attacked and even killed ! They must be biased...

Wake up and see, they are both obeying their paymasters voice, ever heard of a D notice ?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 18th September 15:08

raftom

1,196 posts

260 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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If you want to do the murdered journalists Pepsi challenge you can start here:

List of journalists killed in Russia

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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raftom said:
If you want to do the murdered journalists Pepsi challenge you can start here:

List of journalists killed in Russia
You really are a quite special. Perhaps I should type in very small easily digested words for you to understand.

It is not about journalists being killed, it is about the main stream media doing the bidding of the required masters, be that state or private masters, either overt or subtle bias. It is not about Russian or American or UK or Iranian or Chinese or Israeli media. RT is no better than Fox news or Sky or Canal+ or RTI.

The BBC is not a paragon of unbiased reporting either, while better than those mentioned above, what and how it is reported and more importantly what is not reported, has a institutional and often governmental bias.

Did you watch the documentary ? Again the answer is an unequivocal NO

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 18th September 14:59

raftom

1,196 posts

260 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Seems you are really struggling with the concept of false equivalence. I could post some educational links but trust you can google it yourself if you want to overcome it.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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raftom said:
Seems you are really struggling with the concept of false equivalence. I could post some educational links but trust you can google it yourself if you want to overcome it.
Seems you are struggling to understand bias, I could post some educational links but trust you can google it yourself if you want to overcome it.

Special indeed.

109er

433 posts

129 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Have you seen the latest Russian missile test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvigKyp_hcs

About 1.09 in eek