War with Russia

[Mr Whippy]

Mojocvh said:

Whilst I agree I also believe that at the grass roots level there are reporters out there trying to do a fair and accurate job.

That's it, it's finding people you believe in and they're usually independent type bloggers etc.

Once a story gets out there proper, trying to Google/search for anything is impossible. Any Google result you get is one of about 10,000 of the same story just re-reported elsewhere.

I don't even get how half of these news sites exist. Web traffic supported only?

Dave

[scherzkeks]

Bluebarge said:

you claimed some inside knowledge my friend; I asked you to back that up; you sidestepped; again.

Yes, in journalism, just like in any other industry, going against the grain can have consequences. When you get old enough to hold a professional job, you may learn of this.

Bluebarge said:

As to narcissism, I have been accused of many things, but never that, and if you knew what I looked like, you'd know why

No, it was more the reveling in ignorance part and the condescending tone. But this combination is what I most enjoy about your posts.

[Bluebarge]

scherzkeks said:

Bluebarge said:

you claimed some inside knowledge my friend; I asked you to back that up; you sidestepped; again.

Yes, in journalism, just like in any other industry, going against the grain can have consequences. When you get old enough to hold a professional job, you may learn of this.

Bluebarge said:

As to narcissism, I have been accused of many things, but never that, and if you knew what I looked like, you'd know why

No, it was more the reveling in ignorance part and the condescending tone. But this combination is what I most enjoy about your posts.

Well, going against the grain may cause problems for RT journalists but, aside from the political slant of certain newspapers which is well-known and relates to internal politics rather than foreign affairs, journalists are just expected to report stories and I don't think you will find a "party line" will hold for long in media organisations such as the BBC or AFP.

As to "ignorance" I note that whenever you are asked for information that corroborates the points you make and which could lighten the darkness of us poor Westerners, you usually fail to deliver, and resort to "ad hominem" attacks instead, as you have just done above.

As to condescension, you are the last person on God's green earth able to level that criticism.

[skyrover]

Looks like Russia is clamping down on the "moscow Times"

A shame as it was one of the last media outlets in Russia to offer something of a balanced picture

http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/18/4638

[skyrover]

A graphic showing what has being going on in Donbass the past few days

[Mr Whippy]

Bluebarge said:

I don't think you will find a "party line" will hold for long in media organisations such as the BBC

Lolz

[Countdown]

Mr Whippy said:

You clearly have faith in the BBC.

Given they lied to everyone over MP paedophile stuff, and helped cover things up for decades, I worry about where their impartiality lays, or their straight up trustworthiness.

Dave

Sorry to go O/T

Who did the BBC "lie" to?

[skyrover]

Putin's Chechen puppet getting ideas above his station?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/23/chech...

[Cobnapint]

Countdown said:

Mr Whippy said:

You clearly have faith in the BBC.

Given they lied to everyone over MP paedophile stuff, and helped cover things up for decades, I worry about where their impartiality lays, or their straight up trustworthiness.

Dave

Sorry to go O/T

Who did the BBC "lie" to?

And what was the lie exactly - come on, we're all ears.

[Cobnapint]

G

skyrover said:

A graphic showing what has being going on in Donbass the past few days

My, those Russian troops are STILL lost aren't they. Fancy being lost for that long, and with all those tanks!

What's even worse is the line that defines the area they are lost in keeps moving in a westerly direction. Somebody is clearly making the matter worse by supplying all those tanks and APCs with fuel. They'd be better off sending a couple of pallets of satnavs so they can find their way home again.

And we must stop using the term ceasefire, this clearly means something else when translated into Russian, like - shell the freedom loving bast*rds trying to protect their internationally recognised border when they aren't expecting it.

[Mr Whippy]

Cobnapint said:

Countdown said:

Mr Whippy said:

You clearly have faith in the BBC.

Given they lied to everyone over MP paedophile stuff, and helped cover things up for decades, I worry about where their impartiality lays, or their straight up trustworthiness.

Dave

Sorry to go O/T

Who did the BBC "lie" to?

And what was the lie exactly - come on, we're all ears.

Well I thought it was fairly widely accepted that the BBC had an inkling what Jimmy Saville was up to all along, along with other fairly prominent people?

Given their income comes from government sanctioned fees for the UK public, then is it surprising to think the BBC may have some prominent person/political bias in their reporting?


Dave

[Countdown]

Mr Whippy said:

Cobnapint said:

Countdown said:

Mr Whippy said:

You clearly have faith in the BBC.

Given they lied to everyone over MP paedophile stuff, and helped cover things up for decades, I worry about where their impartiality lays, or their straight up trustworthiness.

Dave

Sorry to go O/T

Who did the BBC "lie" to?

And what was the lie exactly - come on, we're all ears.

Well I thought it was fairly widely accepted that the BBC had an inkling what Jimmy Saville was up to all along, along with other fairly prominent people?

Given their income comes from government sanctioned fees for the UK public, then is it surprising to think the BBC may have some prominent person/political bias in their reporting?

Dave

When was Jimmy Saville an MP?
How do you know the Beeb were aware of MPs involved in paedophilia?
Given that we currently have a mainly Tory Governemnt are you suggesting that the BBC was/is pro Tory?

I really must buy shares in AlCan......

[Mr Whippy]

Countdown said:

When was Jimmy Saville an MP?
How do you know the Beeb were aware of MPs involved in paedophilia?
Given that we currently have a mainly Tory Governemnt are you suggesting that the BBC was/is pro Tory?

I really must buy shares in AlCan......

I'd assume most paedos at a high enough level would be in a bit of a clique, especially back in the pre-internet days.

I keep forgetting that politicians never lie.

Dave

[isee]

Here is what the Russian press is saying this morning with regard tot he MH17:
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&a...

which according to some on here is impossible since it is both controlled by the Kremlin and is publishing something the Kremlin would probably not like very much at all.

The exec summary is that a German news source has done an extensive analysis and interviews, concluded that the version where the Ukrainian forces have shot down the flight are extremely unlikely. But instead strongly support the verision where the airliner has been shot down by the rebel controlled BUK.

[loafer123]

The optimistic view that that Putin is making some political elbow room for a compromise later - you can't have the population 100% believing one thing, then have to break it to them it is different in one go, you have to soften them up...

[AreOut]

russian population (in general) knows that rebel BUK has downed MH17, but they don't blame the rebels nor russian government because the plane shouldn't fly that route anyway and there was no any intention to take down the civilian airplane

and they know that western propaganda lies too so they just ignore silly theories about Ukrainian planes shooting down MH17, they know it's just their own propaganda and that's it

[isee]

AreOut said:

russian population (in general) knows that rebel BUK has downed MH17, but they don't blame the rebels nor russian government because the plane shouldn't fly that route anyway and there was no any intention to take down the civilian airplane

and they know that western propaganda lies too so they just ignore silly theories about Ukrainian planes shooting down MH17, they know it's just their own propaganda and that's it

I don't know if you meant to sound it as neutral and empathic as I read it, but I thought this was a fair and accurate assessment.

[Matt Sketch]

Looks like the Finns are having fun with their neighbours

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32498790

[AreOut]

very nice from BBC to point at swedish case without mentioning that it was dutch submarine at the end... yet some people here still believe that western state media is "independent"

[skyrover]

Massive explosion in the Rostov region on the border with Ukraine



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SCyi5CNsMg

Fire caused by artillery system explosion in Rostov region contained
ROSTOV-ON-DON. April 28 (Interfax-AVN) - Two groups of firefighters, seven units of equipment and two helicopters are combating a blaze triggered by a detonation of ammunition of a self-propelled artillery system during routine combat training in Russia's Rostov region, Southern Military District spokesman Col. Igor Gorbul told Interfax-AVN.
"According to the latest reports from the site, the fire has been contained and it is not spreading any farther," he said.

from Interfax website



The phrase 'routine combat training' and the fact that is in Rostov suggests to me that it was part of the preparations for the upcoming offensive.