War with Russia
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You cannot fight or win from the air.
As soon as you put 'foreign' boots on the ground the locals may be out gunned but they have the local knowledge and more often than not the locals on side thereby putting the invaders at somewhat of a disadvantage.
Just my 2p, your mileage may vary.
Phil
As soon as you put 'foreign' boots on the ground the locals may be out gunned but they have the local knowledge and more often than not the locals on side thereby putting the invaders at somewhat of a disadvantage.
Just my 2p, your mileage may vary.
Phil
EskimoArapaho said:
The key difference is that Russian (the state, rather than the people) doesn't care about bodybags coming back home; unlike the West.
Dont think thats necessarily true. Russians are just as attached to their sons and daughters as we in the west. I'm sure Vlad would pull out under domestic pressure if bodies started to flood back as they did in Afganistan. Pretty sure Russian advisors have been in Syria for decades. They have been supplying ME forces since the Arab Israeli wars of the 50's.Norco said:
EskimoArapaho said:
The key difference is that Russian (the state, rather than the people) doesn't care about bodybags coming back home; unlike the West.
Dont think thats necessarily true. Russians are just as attached to their sons and daughters as we in the west. I'm sure Vlad would pull out under domestic pressure if bodies started to flood back as they did in Afganistan. Pretty sure Russian advisors have been in Syria for decades. They have been supplying ME forces since the Arab Israeli wars of the 50's.The Russian people have unfortunately been silenced in this devious piece of legislation introduced in the wake of the Ukraine conflict that makes it a crime for families to talk about members killed in conflict.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/86fdcb96-0555-11e5-bb7d-...
They have also banned any internet memes that mock Putin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/...
Norco said:
EskimoArapaho said:
The key difference is that Russian (the state, rather than the people) doesn't care about bodybags coming back home; unlike the West.
Dont think thats necessarily true. Russians are just as attached to their sons and daughters as we in the west. I'm sure Vlad would pull out under domestic pressure if bodies started to flood back as they did in Afganistan. Pretty sure Russian advisors have been in Syria for decades. They have been supplying ME forces since the Arab Israeli wars of the 50's.gofasterrosssco said:
Norco said:
EskimoArapaho said:
The key difference is that Russian (the state, rather than the people) doesn't care about bodybags coming back home; unlike the West.
Dont think thats necessarily true. Russians are just as attached to their sons and daughters as we in the west. I'm sure Vlad would pull out under domestic pressure if bodies started to flood back as they did in Afganistan. Pretty sure Russian advisors have been in Syria for decades. They have been supplying ME forces since the Arab Israeli wars of the 50's.My view is that a Western army will never have long term success in a boots on the ground operation in the ME, yes they can win pitched battles but these don't occur. It isn't a liberation, it's an occupation as there will always be a group or faction of locals that don't want you there. Has a Western Democracy occupied a hostile nation since WW2? The Russians stand a better chance as they won't be following the single-sided rule book.
t even before bombing had startedThe OSCE has spotted the TOS-1 Buratino weapon system in separatist hands for the first time
This is a hugely powerful and destructive thermobaric weapon and which could only have come directly from Russia.
Once again they are caught red faced.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/02/ukraine-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOS-1
This is a hugely powerful and destructive thermobaric weapon and which could only have come directly from Russia.
Once again they are caught red faced.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/02/ukraine-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOS-1
EskimoArapaho said:
Yes. I remember the stories of Russian mothers who took perilous trips to Chechnya to try to find the truth about their sons' deaths there. Then, and still in Crimea, the Russian state treats its soldiers as cannon fodder.
Apologies Eskimo! Broke my own rule and replied to a topic in haste. 
scherzkeks said:
Good to see they have decided to start leveling the playing field.
Is that a joke?"If it looks like a terrorist, walks like a terrorist ..." could have been said about separatists in Ukraine.....yet he gives them weapons that are literally going to level the playing field.
Liokault said:
scherzkeks said:
Good to see they have decided to start leveling the playing field.
Is that a joke?"If it looks like a terrorist, walks like a terrorist ..." could have been said about separatists in Ukraine.....yet he gives them weapons that are literally going to level the playing field.
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