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johnfm said:
Thought the declaration was a bit late. A lower target would have given England more overs and the Windies a sniff of a win and therefore riskier batting.
I think we would probably be discussing a West Indies win in that scenario. Lower target = more time to be patient against a weak bowling attack. Even though the pitch was pretty tame, it still saw us at 30-3 and 20-2.With Anderson and Broad both shadows of their former selves, I don't see anything to suggest we could bowl a good side out twice. Stuffings from New Zealand and Australia this summer and then off to South Africa. Apart from this tour against West Indies B, I doubt we'll get a sniff of winning a test match this year.
12 months of heavy defeats, ECCB/player arrogance and reading in the media about KP - not a thrillng prospect...
johnfm said:
Good bowler when it is hooping miles on a green top. To be fair to him, he swings it both ways with great control. But he's never been one of the greats who can dig deep and win a match with an old ball on a dead track - very few can or could; but they are the greats. He's not really in the same league as Marshall, Holding, Lillee and the others.
Good achievement for an English player though. Be interesting to see how well he does in the Ashes.
Way off beam John, I was talking during his career not an all time list. For which I concur he is not quite there. Good achievement for an English player though. Be interesting to see how well he does in the Ashes.
Your comment of " for an English player" is just the sort of ungracious comments chippy Aussies are so adored for.....
Nantwich only managed to score 579 / 7 of 45 overs today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32376031
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32376031
Gargamel said:
johnfm said:
Good bowler when it is hooping miles on a green top. To be fair to him, he swings it both ways with great control. But he's never been one of the greats who can dig deep and win a match with an old ball on a dead track - very few can or could; but they are the greats. He's not really in the same league as Marshall, Holding, Lillee and the others.
Good achievement for an English player though. Be interesting to see how well he does in the Ashes.
Way off beam John, I was talking during his career not an all time list. For which I concur he is not quite there. Good achievement for an English player though. Be interesting to see how well he does in the Ashes.
Your comment of " for an English player" is just the sort of ungracious comments chippy Aussies are so adored for.....
On an English wicket though and as a swing bowler I said it 10yrs ago and I'll say it again now - he is the most naturally talented I've seen. That includes Beef and Hadlee. If they hadn't fked him around originally when he came into the England setup he would be well past 400 now and aiming for a career of 500 test wickets.
The bookies make the summer Ashes a very close call - there is a reason for that. Could be a cracker
One last try,
I was NOT suggesting Jimmy A is an all time great, such as Lillee or Marshall.
I said at times during his career he was the worlds best bowler AT THE TIME. i.e. in his career span, not all time.
Never the less he must surely now be England's best ever bowler, or are we still saving that title for Phil De Freitas or Gladstone Small ?
The BBC reckon it is Hoggard, based on the average of the batsman he dismissed, with Anderson second
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32105879
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32105879
All-rounder Liam Livingstone hit one of the highest one-day scores with a 350 from just 138 balls for Nantwich in a National Club Championship match against Caldy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32376031
Feel sorry for Caldy!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32376031
Feel sorry for Caldy!
Gargamel said:
One last try,
I was NOT suggesting Jimmy A is an all time great, such as Lillee or Marshall.
I said at times during his career he was the worlds best bowler AT THE TIME. i.e. in his career span, not all time.
Never the less he must surely now be England's best ever bowler, or are we still saving that title for Phil De Freitas or Gladstone Small ?
Not you Garg - John!I was NOT suggesting Jimmy A is an all time great, such as Lillee or Marshall.
I said at times during his career he was the worlds best bowler AT THE TIME. i.e. in his career span, not all time.
Never the less he must surely now be England's best ever bowler, or are we still saving that title for Phil De Freitas or Gladstone Small ?
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