Crossfit looks rather scary

Crossfit looks rather scary

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Otispunkmeyer

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12,584 posts

155 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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And not in the "oh my that looks like hard work" way.

I mean it looks scary in that I can easily see you ending up in a hospital with some bad injury! I have just watched a video someone on FB proudly posted where they were doing these, I guess, full range olympic lifts as fast as possible. Dead lift -> Clean - > Press and back down sort of action. But they're going so fast that they're not doing any of it properly. Its all rushed, bent back and full of jerking movements. That seriously cannot be good for you can it?

I have been reading as well, that training daily to exhaustion is part of doing cross fit. That sounds iffy as well, the last person I know of that trained that hard supposedly suffered permanent muscle damage according to his old coach.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 5th March 18:19

Tiger Tim

1,810 posts

222 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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Absolutely agree.

I can train myself pretty well after years of being in the gym. Concentrating on clean slow deliberate movements and only stacking weight on when I'm happy the form won't suffer as a result.

A good mate is starting a new CrossFit business and offered a free session so I thought it would be rude not to.

The whole thing felt like numbers were more important than correct form. I felt back twinges from too many dead lifts and lost interest as I got bored after a few minutes of repetition.

Good for willy waving to other CrossFit types but in my opinion it'll be another short lived fad.

22s

6,338 posts

216 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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I agree.

Been doing Wendler 5/3/1 for months, switched to the 300 workout last week as going on holiday in a few weeks so wanted to trim up. Can deadlift 190kg 1RM, never hurt my back on DL before - pinged it doing 50 x 60kg deadlifts as fast as I could because my form was st. Idiot.

Also there's this (no idea about whether his form is correct, or how long through a workout he was, and it was actually mainly due to the awful placement of the plates behind him): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMsa26v23g

Edited by 22s on Thursday 6th March 15:03

fandango_c

1,917 posts

186 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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I disagree.

I've being going to CrossFit for about 3 months. Yes, there there is focus on number instead of perfect form, but a decent level of form is required. As the posters above have found out above, doing high rep, low weight dead lifts can result in injury, whether doing CrossFit or something else.

I like it and it's improved my general fitness a lot, but I can appreciate it's not for everyone.

BenM77

2,835 posts

164 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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My favourite style of training is conditioning circuits using free weights and kettle bells. I have tried a couple of crossfit WOD's and enjoyed them.

I guess met con training is a bit marmite for gym goers. You either enjoy pushing yourself hard or you don't biggrin



Flash in the pan? No way IMO smile

Otispunkmeyer

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12,584 posts

155 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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22s said:
I agree.

Been doing Wendler 5/3/1 for months, switched to the 300 workout last week as going on holiday in a few weeks so wanted to trim up. Can deadlift 190kg 1RM, never hurt my back on DL before - pinged it doing 50 x 60kg deadlifts as fast as I could because my form was st. Idiot.

Also there's this (no idea about whether his form is correct, or how long through a workout he was, and it was actually mainly due to the awful placement of the plates behind him): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMsa26v23g

Edited by 22s on Thursday 6th March 15:03
Jesus!

didelydoo

5,528 posts

210 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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Crossfit's here to stay, I like it. It's as safe as anything else in the gym and is usually berated by people who are a bit clueless.

LordGrover

33,539 posts

212 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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Loads of fit birds doing it so I'm all for it. Very popular at my gym, not for me though.
I remember an article slating it a while ago: click - suspect an exception rather than the rule.

evo4a

737 posts

181 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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Not for me either, I have a few back issues and whilst trying to do 50 squats as quick as possible it went pop, now I just take things at my own pace with reasonable form.

MacGee

2,513 posts

230 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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If you do high numbers as fast as possible..injury only if poor form and weight too much.

mattikake

5,057 posts

199 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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It's a fad. Google "crossfit injury". I got over 4 million hits...

Says it all.

fandango_c

1,917 posts

186 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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mattikake said:
It's a fad. Google "crossfit injury". I got over 4 million hits...

Says it all.
The injury rate for CrossFit is similar to weightlifting, powerlifting and gymnastics.
http://romanoroberts.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/201...

mattikake

5,057 posts

199 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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fandango_c said:
mattikake said:
It's a fad. Google "crossfit injury". I got over 4 million hits...

Says it all.
The injury rate for CrossFit is similar to weightlifting, powerlifting and gymnastics.
http://romanoroberts.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/201...
Weightlifting, powerlifting and gynastics are competitive sports played at the highest level of physical durability. Injury is to be expected.

Crossfit is for plebs out for a bit of fitness fun under the guidance of a trainer. Injury is irresponsible.

Hoofy

76,345 posts

282 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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I'm on the fence - the idea is great but the execution is questionable. I mean, I love the way they mix weights with cardio. I do the same. I just call it "training" or "exercise". I like the idea of the culture, everyone encouraging others - that's how gyms should be. I think the coaches need more... coaching.

As an aside, that motto "outrun a lifter, outlift a runner" - sounds clever but it's fking stupid. Think about it.

goldblum

10,272 posts

167 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Crossfit is the jack of all trades and master of none. If you want size, strength, power or endurance (anaerobic or aerobic) there are scientifically proven training regimes used by Olympians and world champions in every discipline that can be applied. There is no Crossfit instructor to any British Olympic Team, nor to any elite sportspeople that I've heard of. Believe me if those guys had anything to gain from Crossfit, they'd be using it. That's not to say some don't meddle, but they'd be foolish to play with injury when their career depends on good health.

Funnily enough I'm friends with a Crossfit instructor and he happily admits that Crossfit is a flash in the pan, but his recommendation to a beginner is just don't push yourself too hard to start. He's a nice lad in his last year at Uni doing a S&C Degree - which is surprising because there's huge gaps in his knowledge.smile


goldblum

10,272 posts

167 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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fandango_c said:
The injury rate for CrossFit is similar to weightlifting, powerlifting and gymnastics.
http://romanoroberts.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/201...
You're not comparing like for like. Crossfit is an exercise, the others are training programs. I had a look on EBSCO - the UK database - for other articles on Crossfit that 'look' positively at injury rates. There are none. I had a look at the paper you linked and there's a some very noticeable problems with it. But first and foremost, bizarrely, incredibly, researchers ask people on a Crossfit forum for their injury experiences? Do you think it might have occurred to researchers that most people badly or chronically injured whilst doing Crossfit would no longer have any interest in the sport and thus have no interest in the website? I mean come on this is basic stuff. Here's an idea - let's do some research into something but we want a favourable outcome - I know! We'll simply ask questions on a dedicated forum for fans!

Anyway can't be arsed stating the obvious to sheep. Here's someone most have heard of - Rippetoe on Crossfit. The article's entitled the Good Bad and Ugly, and there's not much Good...

http://www.t-nation.com/training/crossfit-the-good...

Hoofy

76,345 posts

282 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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goldblum said:
He's a nice lad in his last year at Uni doing a S&C Degree - which is surprising because there's huge gaps in his knowledge.smile

Funny how my thought process changed as I read that sentence.

"Coo... oh."

goldblum

10,272 posts

167 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Hoofy said:
goldblum said:
He's a nice lad in his last year at Uni doing a S&C Degree - which is surprising because there's huge gaps in his knowledge.smile

Funny how my thought process changed as I read that sentence.

"Coo... oh."
Were you about to wish us all the best? hehe

Hoofy

76,345 posts

282 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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goldblum said:
Hoofy said:
goldblum said:
He's a nice lad in his last year at Uni doing a S&C Degree - which is surprising because there's huge gaps in his knowledge.smile

Funny how my thought process changed as I read that sentence.

"Coo... oh."
Were you about to wish us all the best? hehe
No but only because I think you know enough about training not to behead yourself mid-kip.

goldblum

10,272 posts

167 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Hoofy said:
goldblum said:
Hoofy said:
goldblum said:
He's a nice lad in his last year at Uni doing a S&C Degree - which is surprising because there's huge gaps in his knowledge.smile

Funny how my thought process changed as I read that sentence.

"Coo... oh."
Were you about to wish us all the best? hehe
No but only because I think you know enough about training not to behead yourself mid-kip.
Thank God Yes, though I don't do the kipping thing. Just means you're good at...kipping. And Crossfit's supposed to be 'functional' (warning - buzzword), never really understood that.