Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
Discussion
Ozzie Osmond said:
LotusMartin said:
I bet they accidentally shot it down and tried to cover it up like the US did with TWA Flight 800 in 1996.
That TWA Flight 800 story is pure conspiracy theory. I don't believe there's one shred of evidence that it was shot down.On the other hand Korean Airlines flight 107 was definitely a shoot down by USSR. They denied it at first but more recently have simply stated that it was a fully justified interception.
Vaud said:
EskimoArapaho said:
And why bits of the debris haven't been picked up by dozens of fishing boats in such busy waters.
Because they aren't busy waters.TTmonkey said:
In August 2001 plane travel was relatively safe and taken for granted.
As an uncomfortable but VERY frequent flier I can assure you it wasn't. There was the Air India downed in the Atlantic in 85, and of course Lockerbie in 88. And in terns of 'taken for granted' folks concerns were not limited to terrorist events, so we had the TWA flight off the US east coast, Lauda Air, United at Sioux City, and of course what appeared to be a fairly regular news of MD-11 crashes. Crashing planes for whatever reason certainly wasn't a weekly occurrence, and not even every single year, but it was sufficiently frequent that most travelers could recall news of a fatal incident 'recently'; so no, even pre 2001 folks had just as many (or as few) concerns as they have now.I also remember (on my weekly Edinburgh to London commute) that for many years passengers to Ireland were segregated and had a separate security channel where everyone got a pat-down, so the relative terrorist risk was even more 'in your face' as it is now.
TTmonkey said:
In September 2001 all planes were grounded for a week because we had a totally new kind of terrorism. The world changed that day.
Not in the UK they weren't; I don't know about anywhere else though. But I flew Edinburgh to Southampton return on the 12th. (I'd also had lunch at Windows on the World at the top of the World Trace Centre just 2 weeks before, but that's another story). Both airports were certainly quieter than normal, and the plane was a bit emptier but folks were certainly flying on September 12thApart from the liquids limit change, the major change was one of attitude where folks will no longer site back and wait to be taken for a ride. Before that there had been quite a few hijack incidents where the folks all got off safely - typically not where they wanted to go, but there was the view that if hijacked, sit tight and behave and you'll get off. 9/11 certainly changed that view, but I think regular travelers are probably more relaxed now with the idea that the passengers en masse will try to intervene.
But as above, the only real change for travelers is 100ml liquids and plastic bags. I also flew to LA on December 2001 the day after the shoe-bomb plot - 23rd maybe? We left Edinburgh before any news of the incident had hit the press/TV, and even at Heathrow what had actually happened hadn't been revealed - all we knew was that there had been an 'incident' earlier. Security was 'as normal', but then prior to boarding everyone had all bags/pockets empted and then another security pat-down. Flight was normal until we reached US airspace, where everyone had been advised to go to the loo etc before then. As we got to US airsppace everything had to be stowed overhead - nothing in seat pockets or floor; tables up; seatbelts on and hands visible on thighs and the cabin crew patrolling to make sure everyones hands were visible. Moving map switched off along with the entertainment system, so sitting still hands-on-thighs for the last couple of hours of the flight. But that milarky only lasted for a few days and it was back to 'nornal' on the return and subsequent visit.
So yes, things have changed...but really not that much. Air travel really wasn't a care-free and joyous experience before 9/11, and apart from limits on liquids really not a lot has changed.
Oh, and re the Malayan Plane - I'm going for a flight-deck fire (there has been an unexplained one before on a 777) that burnt through the hull to depressurize the aircraft so everyone on board incapacitated - the fire also took out the crew's oxygen (as per the earlier 777 fire) before they completed the necessary recovery/return actions
But I wouldn't discount terrorist activities, and for the folks that do discount it just on the basis no-one's claimed responsibility...no-one claimed responsibility for Lockerbie but I think everyone's in agreement it was a terrorist act.
The search resumed today
http://news.sky.com/story/1243366/mh370-mini-sub-s...
Hopefully methodical , careful scanning of the ocean bottom will find the wreckage. I really hope they're in the right area this time.
http://news.sky.com/story/1243366/mh370-mini-sub-s...
Hopefully methodical , careful scanning of the ocean bottom will find the wreckage. I really hope they're in the right area this time.
AdeTuono said:
Good to see that you've researched your theory thoroughly before posting.
I have posted my theory long time ago, the facts have changed in the meantime, sorry if that disturbed you 
also it didn't have to be exactly that airport, there are certainly airpots in northern atmosphere that closely correspond to inverted coordinates of the current search areaB17NNS said:
M4cruiser said:
The aircraft and 239 people have now been "missing" for nearly 6 weeks.
Just to put some perspective on it, in that same timescale about the same number of people have been killed on UK roads.
239 people die every 16 minutes due to lack of food.Just to put some perspective on it, in that same timescale about the same number of people have been killed on UK roads.
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