Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[jmorgan]

I expect it is being "looked after" for "safe keeping" and might have "accidentally been turned off".

[Steffan]

jmorgan said:

I expect it is being "looked after" for "safe keeping" and might have "accidentally been turned off".

Indeed. I rather think those frequently proposed explanations are about where the pundits will jump. I have deep sympathy for the tragedy of two aircraft lost with all hands and the huge tragic consequences that affect thousands and thousands of individuals worldwide in consequence.

What we are not getting is straight forward honest open interpretation of the known facts and instead bland suggestions such as those displayed above are the reality of the level of information actually expounded in the media. The confirmed facts are absolutely miminal in the case of MH 370. At least with the second tragey with the Malaysian airlines plane lost in the Ukraine we know it was brought down and we know all the passengers and crew are dead. From everything I have read about the earlier loss there are very few certainties and a huge number of possibilities. I do not think the media coverage to date has been very much help because I think the meda have few facts and e
ven less confirmed information, as yet, to build upon.

It does seem probable that the two events will become interlinked primarily because they were Malaysian Airlines planes. Other than that fact, the actual connections are less obvious. I think the second tragedy has yet again confirmed what a danger the kind of fighting with modern weaponry can present to entirely innocent and unconnected targets. Whether these tragedies will result in fundamental changes to the collection and retention of data from the flights and a safer system for air traffic remains to be seen. It could well be a very long time before the MH 370 tragedy is revealed in detail if in fact a full explanation is provided in time. I do hoe it will be.

[jmorgan]

More than anything I think the former, rather unfortunately, has shown what the media (including social media) is capable of.

With no disrespect to both these incidents, I wonder how they will rate on the innocents in Syria. Not meaning to detract from anything, it is an observation that keeps niggling me.

[Hub]

Malaysia are offering refunds to people who don't want to fly with them anymore. This latest incident wouldn't affect my confidence as much as of it were another unexplained disappearance, pilot error or mechanical failure though. Wrong place, wrong time - unless the pilot plotted a route they shouldn't have.

[eccles]

jmorgan said:

More than anything I think the former, rather unfortunately, has shown what the media (including social media) is capable of.

With no disrespect to both these incidents, I wonder how they will rate on the innocents in Syria. Not meaning to detract from anything, it is an observation that keeps niggling me.

Where do you draw the line? With so much conflict around the world in Africa, the middle east etc Why single out Syria? There are hundreds of innocent people being killed daily and this airliner incident is at the top of the news because it affects people in this country and people can relate to it.

[jmorgan]

eccles said:

jmorgan said:

More than anything I think the former, rather unfortunately, has shown what the media (including social media) is capable of.

With no disrespect to both these incidents, I wonder how they will rate on the innocents in Syria. Not meaning to detract from anything, it is an observation that keeps niggling me.

Where do you draw the line? With so much conflict around the world in Africa, the middle east etc Why single out Syria? There are hundreds of innocent people being killed daily and this airliner incident is at the top of the news because it affects people in this country and people can relate to it.

It is an observation and not intended to detract from anything and certainly no disrespect meant to anyone.

Edit. That did not come out the right way. Apologise if it offended but it was not my intention.

[eccles]

jmorgan said:

eccles said:

jmorgan said:

More than anything I think the former, rather unfortunately, has shown what the media (including social media) is capable of.

With no disrespect to both these incidents, I wonder how they will rate on the innocents in Syria. Not meaning to detract from anything, it is an observation that keeps niggling me.

Where do you draw the line? With so much conflict around the world in Africa, the middle east etc Why single out Syria? There are hundreds of innocent people being killed daily and this airliner incident is at the top of the news because it affects people in this country and people can relate to it.

It is an observation and not intended to detract from anything and certainly no disrespect meant to anyone.

Edit. That did not come out the right way. Apologise if it offended but it was not my intention.

No offence taken.

[s3fella]

Seems like two relatives of people on mh370 were on mh17!

Flip me

[Megaflow]

A question about FDR & CVR's, sparked by MH17, but more relevant to MH370.

When they recover black boxes that have been under water, why to the keep them submerged in water upon recovery?

[Vaud]

Megaflow said:

why to the keep them submerged in water upon recovery?

Any chance of that in English?

[M4cruiser]

Steffan said:

I think the second tragedy has yet again confirmed what a danger the kind of fighting with modern weaponry can present to entirely innocent and unconnected targets. Whether these tragedies will result in fundamental changes to the collection and retention of data from the flights and a safer system for air traffic remains to be seen.

Agree, but I'd say that civil aviation has changed, or is changing, perhaps due to circumstances beyond its control, i.e. warfare / terrorism has changed, and we need to update the defences. You're right that MH370 may or may not be connected with terrorism, but whatever happened in either case a long-range tracker would help (and sorry if my earlier post about "gps" was unclear, but what I meant was a tracker like you can buy for your car, so that the dynamic location can be established remotely). I know it's been discussed a bit in earlier pages, and there are technical problems, but with technology you can never say "never". One day someone will make a reliable device that overcomes all the objections, and which would have allowed us to locate MH370 (the whole aircraft)and the MH17 (flight/data recorder).

[anonymous-user]

Vaud said:

Any chance of that in English?

When a black box is found in water, it gets stored in water until it can be investigated as this slows down corrosion, which occurs if it dries out.

[Megaflow]

el stovey said:

When a black box is found in water, it gets stored in water until it can be investigated as this slows down corrosion, which occurs if it dries out.

Ah, thank you. Blindling obvious when somebody says it

[Transmitter Man]

The SA-11 Buk that likely shot down #MH17 is now back in Russian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0EF2_fJkA4

Phil

[Vaud]

Transmitter Man said:

The SA-11 Buk that likely shot down #MH17 is now back in Russian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0EF2_fJkA4

Phil

I think you want this thread:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Thankyou4calling]

Months passed and not a single piece of debris washed up or any real evidence of what happened. Astonishing stuff.

[onyx39]

Thankyou4calling said:

Months passed and not a single piece of debris washed up or any real evidence of what happened. Astonishing stuff.

That's because no-one has looked in the Hangar at Diego Garcia.

[Megaflow]

Thankyou4calling said:

Months passed and not a single piece of debris washed up or any real evidence of what happened. Astonishing stuff.

Very surprising, you'd have expected something to wash up somewhere. The longer it goes on the weirder it gets.

[B17NNS]

Megaflow said:

Very surprising, you'd have expected something to wash up somewhere. The longer it goes on the weirder it gets.

Media's got bored of it now too.

[Puggit]

Of course, if the plane is somewhere intact, then nothing will have washed up. Leading to 2 obvious potential directions. Either it landed somewhere and has been hidden, which is extremely difficult.

Or... Someone landed it at sea, intact, and sunk it slowly and deliberately. Presumably in a depth where it would sink without imploding and releasing floating material.