Freedom from TV license oppression
Discussion
Funk said:
I don't like the BBC, I don't value the BBC, why should I pay for the BBC? It's as simple as that. I'm not a conspiracy nutter nor a FMOTL Wibbleist. I have no objection to taxation (see my earlier comments about education and the NHS) but I don't see why I should be forced to pay for something I don't use.
Incredibly, taxation doesn't work on the basis of what you personally like or consume (or even the meta level up of what you think people should be taxed on). If it did, then it wouldn't be taxation, would it?
Funk said:
Sounds.....thrilling.
What you seem to have there is some back-to-back climate change programming (a staple of BBC topics) and something about monasteries that could be interesting if you like that sort of thing and was made by independent film and TV production company "Oxford Film and TV" (not the BBC)
Nothing about any of the programmes you've posted is of any interest to me though I'm afraid!
Why the fWhat you seem to have there is some back-to-back climate change programming (a staple of BBC topics) and something about monasteries that could be interesting if you like that sort of thing and was made by independent film and TV production company "Oxford Film and TV" (not the BBC)
Nothing about any of the programmes you've posted is of any interest to me though I'm afraid!
Edited by Funk on Sunday 1st March 16:36
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trashbat said:
Funk said:
I don't like the BBC, I don't value the BBC, why should I pay for the BBC? It's as simple as that. I'm not a conspiracy nutter nor a FMOTL Wibbleist. I have no objection to taxation (see my earlier comments about education and the NHS) but I don't see why I should be forced to pay for something I don't use.
Incredibly, taxation doesn't work on the basis of what you personally like or consume (or even the meta level up of what you think people should be taxed on). If it did, then it wouldn't be taxation, would it?Again, as per my earlier post, to align the BBC with education or healthcare is stupid; they are critical and essential to the well-being of the population and the economy whilst the BBC is absolutely not.
McWigglebum4th said:
Funk said:
Sounds.....thrilling.
What you seem to have there is some back-to-back climate change programming (a staple of BBC topics) and something about monasteries that could be interesting if you like that sort of thing and was made by independent film and TV production company "Oxford Film and TV" (not the BBC)
Nothing about any of the programmes you've posted is of any interest to me though I'm afraid!
Why the fWhat you seem to have there is some back-to-back climate change programming (a staple of BBC topics) and something about monasteries that could be interesting if you like that sort of thing and was made by independent film and TV production company "Oxford Film and TV" (not the BBC)
Nothing about any of the programmes you've posted is of any interest to me though I'm afraid!
Edited by Funk on Sunday 1st March 16:36
k can't we have decent telly likeTHATCHER her greatest speeches
Poor people being killed with wood chippers
101 great tasting audi dashboards
Edited by Funk on Sunday 1st March 16:48
Funk said:
Derek, that's like saying drinking piss is better than eating st.
I don't want either.
The BBC churns out crap. That it's 'less crappy' than the crap in other countries is not the point. It's still crap whichever way you dress it up.
Out of interest, are Americans and Aussies forced to pay for their crap TV or is it subscription like Sky/Virgin?
The BBC churns out crap, for sure. Among the crap though is some brilliant productions, both TV and radio - and internet, which is getting better. t.I don't want either.
The BBC churns out crap. That it's 'less crappy' than the crap in other countries is not the point. It's still crap whichever way you dress it up.
Out of interest, are Americans and Aussies forced to pay for their crap TV or is it subscription like Sky/Virgin?
The TV licence has been overtaken by technology, so has to go. Trouble is, what do you replace it with? I see 3 options.
Subscription. Will have to be hugely attractive to audiences, so will tend to drop the less popular stuff and go purely for audience. Might work, but will have to compete against every other programme supplier. SKY 2 with no resources and cheaper. Dies within 5 years.
Advertising. Effectively competing against every other provider. Everyone loses in the race for advert revenue.
General taxation. Effectively a state sponsored solution. Follow the party line or lose money.
The licence is 3 quid a week. For that you do get some good stuff - and a load of rubbish.
However, where else could you get better value?
eldar said:
turbobloke said:
Wherever you pay for what you want to watch, not for the crap you don't want.
So where and what, specifically, do you get for your £3 a week? Specific examples, rather than slogans please.mph1977 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_BBC is a list of all the services but it doesn;t break down which are licence fee, which are other state funding and which are part / fully commercial .
Actually, I think it does. Anything under "BBC Worldwide" is commercial. davepoth said:
mph1977 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_BBC is a list of all the services but it doesn;t break down which are licence fee, which are other state funding and which are part / fully commercial .
Actually, I think it does. Anything under "BBC Worldwide" is commercial. the none UK BBC worldwide stuff is commercial but is leveraged off stuff produced for UK domestic consumoption as part of the licence fee funded services
mph1977 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_BBC is a list of all the services but it doesn;t break down which are licence fee, which are other state funding and which are part / fully commercial .
Stop bottling it. What specific stations in which country offer the range of BBC services for £3 or equivalent a week?eldar said:
mph1977 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_BBC is a list of all the services but it doesn;t break down which are licence fee, which are other state funding and which are part / fully commercial .
Stop bottling it. What specific stations in which country offer the range of BBC services for £3 or equivalent a week?eldar said:
mph1977 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_BBC is a list of all the services but it doesn;t break down which are licence fee, which are other state funding and which are part / fully commercial .
Stop bottling it. What specific stations in which country offer the range of BBC services for £3 or equivalent a week?National radio 1/1x/2/3/4/4x/5live/6music/asian network
the regional radio services
BBC Radio Scotland
BBC Radio nan Gàidheal – Scottish Gaelic language
BBC Radio Shetland – Scotland (Shetland)
BBC Radio Orkney – Scotland (Orkney)
BBC Radio Wales
BBC Radio Cymru – Welsh language
BBC Radio Ulster – Northern Ireland
BBC Radio Foyle – Northern Ireland (Londonderry)
and BBC local radio
eldar said:
mph1977 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_BBC is a list of all the services but it doesn;t break down which are licence fee, which are other state funding and which are part / fully commercial .
Stop bottling it. What specific stations in which country offer the range of BBC services for £3 or equivalent a week?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence
Interestingly Germany has already moved to the "have a house? pay for a licence" model.
GetCarter said:
Funk said:
GetCarter said:
I'm not going to get into arguments about whether the BBC produces crap or not - that's down to taste (or lack thereof). However, as has been mentioned, the BBC brings into GB PLC a huge amount of money from overseas sales. Current thinking is £2 to us, for every £1 spent.
FYI - Top Gear and Sherlock Holmes alone bring in more than £1.3 billion a year into the British economy. Proper British exports made by Brits in Britain.
Then I'm sure they could make it self-sufficient quite easily...FYI - Top Gear and Sherlock Holmes alone bring in more than £1.3 billion a year into the British economy. Proper British exports made by Brits in Britain.
Funk said:
Which is why the BBC should never be a tax (ie. a levy across all homes). At the moment it is optional and should stay that way.
Again, as per my earlier post, to align the BBC with education or healthcare is stupid; they are critical and essential to the well-being of the population and the economy whilst the BBC is absolutely not.
What about culture, the arts etc? Does it have to be either a utilitarian functional service or self-sustaining for you to regard it as acceptable?Again, as per my earlier post, to align the BBC with education or healthcare is stupid; they are critical and essential to the well-being of the population and the economy whilst the BBC is absolutely not.
Either way it's not like it's not easily avoided.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff