BT's relic-grade broadband
Discussion
mph1977 said:
Mr Whippy said:
Exactly.
Right now I pay £16 for infinite ADSL, but I'd pay £16 for infinite Infinity too.
I'd happily pay £32 for Infinity and I'm sure everyone on my cabinet would (exchange was done)
But lets be honest about sharing costs. Rural areas pay a fortune for council tax and what do we get? Bins once every two weeks.
the first paragraph started so whell and then the PH Right now I pay £16 for infinite ADSL, but I'd pay £16 for infinite Infinity too.
I'd happily pay £32 for Infinity and I'm sure everyone on my cabinet would (exchange was done)
But lets be honest about sharing costs. Rural areas pay a fortune for council tax and what do we get? Bins once every two weeks.
Local authorities provide far more services than bins ... but that doesn't matter in a PH
The point is we share things as a society. If we apply the logic of only providing things where population densities are high then there will be nothing beyond the city borders because it's not cost effective. No roads, hospitals, telephone lines, bus routes, trains etc etc...
When you start saying people in rural areas can't expect XYZ because it's not financially viable it's a slippery slope. Obviously government try to subsidise things to balance things out so we can all benefit from everything as much as possible.
But BT don't help matters in the end. I guess their huge benefits liabilities are the reason they are so cost inefficient? A bit like Royal Mail?
Nothing to do with their scope to service rural areas, but actually their pre-privatisation benefits legacy?
Mr Whippy said:
It was as a bit tongue in cheek.
The point is we share things as a society. If we apply the logic of only providing things where population densities are high then there will be nothing beyond the city borders because it's not cost effective. No roads, hospitals, telephone lines, bus routes, trains etc etc...
When you start saying people in rural areas can't expect XYZ because it's not financially viable it's a slippery slope. Obviously government try to subsidise things to balance things out so we can all benefit from everything as much as possible.
But BT don't help matters in the end. I guess their huge benefits liabilities are the reason they are so cost inefficient? A bit like Royal Mail?
Nothing to do with their scope to service rural areas, but actually their pre-privatisation benefits legacy?
Royal mail are inefficient because they still have to deliver to every property every day, surely now there privatized then they should be able to pick and choose how often they deliver the same as the competition?The point is we share things as a society. If we apply the logic of only providing things where population densities are high then there will be nothing beyond the city borders because it's not cost effective. No roads, hospitals, telephone lines, bus routes, trains etc etc...
When you start saying people in rural areas can't expect XYZ because it's not financially viable it's a slippery slope. Obviously government try to subsidise things to balance things out so we can all benefit from everything as much as possible.
But BT don't help matters in the end. I guess their huge benefits liabilities are the reason they are so cost inefficient? A bit like Royal Mail?
Nothing to do with their scope to service rural areas, but actually their pre-privatisation benefits legacy?
're rural internet we've just been upgraded to infinity however not all the village can have it as there's only limited number of slots per cabinet.
egor110 said:
Mr Whippy said:
It was as a bit tongue in cheek.
The point is we share things as a society. If we apply the logic of only providing things where population densities are high then there will be nothing beyond the city borders because it's not cost effective. No roads, hospitals, telephone lines, bus routes, trains etc etc...
When you start saying people in rural areas can't expect XYZ because it's not financially viable it's a slippery slope. Obviously government try to subsidise things to balance things out so we can all benefit from everything as much as possible.
But BT don't help matters in the end. I guess their huge benefits liabilities are the reason they are so cost inefficient? A bit like Royal Mail?
Nothing to do with their scope to service rural areas, but actually their pre-privatisation benefits legacy?
Royal mail are inefficient because they still have to deliver to every property every day, surely now there privatized then they should be able to pick and choose how often they deliver the same as the competition?The point is we share things as a society. If we apply the logic of only providing things where population densities are high then there will be nothing beyond the city borders because it's not cost effective. No roads, hospitals, telephone lines, bus routes, trains etc etc...
When you start saying people in rural areas can't expect XYZ because it's not financially viable it's a slippery slope. Obviously government try to subsidise things to balance things out so we can all benefit from everything as much as possible.
But BT don't help matters in the end. I guess their huge benefits liabilities are the reason they are so cost inefficient? A bit like Royal Mail?
Nothing to do with their scope to service rural areas, but actually their pre-privatisation benefits legacy?
're rural internet we've just been upgraded to infinity however not all the village can have it as there's only limited number of slots per cabinet.
there's a 'caste' system in parts of RMG
agency staff , RMG casuals and 'postmen' - a postman will recieve up to 20 % higher basic pay , be issued with a regular as clockwork issue of workwear whether they need it or not and take home a bonus of up to 120 gbp / week for just doing their job ( or more corrcctly because the agency and casual staff work their arses off for fear of being 'cancelled' ) ...
|RMG casuals are just as poorly treated as agency staff - if not worse but they have the promise of a permanent contract at some point in the future ( up to 5 years from first walking in the door as agency - vs either 12 weeks or 6 months - year in other places to get on to comapny books )
[quote=mph1977]
RMG are also struggling becasue of the legacy of their contracts and the intransigence of the CWU
there's a 'caste' system in parts of RMG
agency staff , RMG casuals and 'postmen' - a postman will recieve up to 20 % higher basic pay , be issued with a regular as clockwork issue of workwear whether they need it or not and take home a bonus of up to 120 gbp / week for just doing their job ( or more corrcctly because the agency and casual staff work their arses off for fear of being 'cancelled' ) ...
|RMG casuals are just as poorly treated as agency staff - if not worse but they have the promise of a permanent contract at some point in the future ( up to 5 years from first walking in the door as agency - vs either 12 weeks or 6 months - year in other places to get on to comapny books )
Your talking s..t.
I am a postie if I want uniform I have to get a manager to order it you don't just get shoes,coats every six months automatically.
A take home bonus of £120 for doing there jobs, where do you get that from?
You get a delivery supplement of £22 for delivering junk mail any extra is for overtime either completing deliveries or contracted overtime collecting in the afternoons.
RMG are also struggling becasue of the legacy of their contracts and the intransigence of the CWU
there's a 'caste' system in parts of RMG
agency staff , RMG casuals and 'postmen' - a postman will recieve up to 20 % higher basic pay , be issued with a regular as clockwork issue of workwear whether they need it or not and take home a bonus of up to 120 gbp / week for just doing their job ( or more corrcctly because the agency and casual staff work their arses off for fear of being 'cancelled' ) ...
|RMG casuals are just as poorly treated as agency staff - if not worse but they have the promise of a permanent contract at some point in the future ( up to 5 years from first walking in the door as agency - vs either 12 weeks or 6 months - year in other places to get on to comapny books )
Your talking s..t.
I am a postie if I want uniform I have to get a manager to order it you don't just get shoes,coats every six months automatically.
A take home bonus of £120 for doing there jobs, where do you get that from?
You get a delivery supplement of £22 for delivering junk mail any extra is for overtime either completing deliveries or contracted overtime collecting in the afternoons.
egor110 said:
mph1977 said:
RMG are also struggling becasue of the legacy of their contracts and the intransigence of the CWU
there's a 'caste' system in parts of RMG
agency staff , RMG casuals and 'postmen' - a postman will recieve up to 20 % higher basic pay , be issued with a regular as clockwork issue of workwear whether they need it or not and take home a bonus of up to 120 gbp / week for just doing their job ( or more corrcctly because the agency and casual staff work their arses off for fear of being 'cancelled' ) ...
|RMG casuals are just as poorly treated as agency staff - if not worse but they have the promise of a permanent contract at some point in the future ( up to 5 years from first walking in the door as agency - vs either 12 weeks or 6 months - year in other places to get on to comapny books )
Your talking s..t.
I am a postie if I want uniform I have to get a manager to order it you don't just get shoes,coats every six months automatically.
A take home bonus of £120 for doing there jobs, where do you get that from?
You get a delivery supplement of £22 for delivering junk mail any extra is for overtime either completing deliveries or contracted overtime collecting in the afternoons.
oh really ? - this is based on working for a part of RMG less than a year ago - however it was not a local letter delivery office ... there's a 'caste' system in parts of RMG
agency staff , RMG casuals and 'postmen' - a postman will recieve up to 20 % higher basic pay , be issued with a regular as clockwork issue of workwear whether they need it or not and take home a bonus of up to 120 gbp / week for just doing their job ( or more corrcctly because the agency and casual staff work their arses off for fear of being 'cancelled' ) ...
|RMG casuals are just as poorly treated as agency staff - if not worse but they have the promise of a permanent contract at some point in the future ( up to 5 years from first walking in the door as agency - vs either 12 weeks or 6 months - year in other places to get on to comapny books )
Your talking s..t.
I am a postie if I want uniform I have to get a manager to order it you don't just get shoes,coats every six months automatically.
A take home bonus of £120 for doing there jobs, where do you get that from?
You get a delivery supplement of £22 for delivering junk mail any extra is for overtime either completing deliveries or contracted overtime collecting in the afternoons.
uniform forms just sat in a docket holder by the stores dooe with a terse notice informing casuals they were only entitled to hi-vis and boots unlike full timers who were entitled to several pairs of trousers, several shirts and a points based combination of jumpers, fleeces and gilets
bonus again announced in team briefs every night - routinely in excess of 20 GBP / shift and unless the sorting system broke down it was very rare for their to be no bonus for full timers
mph1977 said:
oh really ? - this is based on working for a part of RMG less than a year ago - however it was not a local letter delivery office ...
uniform forms just sat in a docket holder by the stores dooe with a terse notice informing casuals they were only entitled to hi-vis and boots unlike full timers who were entitled to several pairs of trousers, several shirts and a points based combination of jumpers, fleeces and gilets
bonus again announced in team briefs every night - routinely in excess of 20 GBP / shift and unless the sorting system broke down it was very rare for their to be no bonus for full timers
So that would be distribution or a mail centre you were working in?uniform forms just sat in a docket holder by the stores dooe with a terse notice informing casuals they were only entitled to hi-vis and boots unlike full timers who were entitled to several pairs of trousers, several shirts and a points based combination of jumpers, fleeces and gilets
bonus again announced in team briefs every night - routinely in excess of 20 GBP / shift and unless the sorting system broke down it was very rare for their to be no bonus for full timers
Gillet, jumper? You only get polo shirts a fleece and light waterproof and a storm coat on delivery there are no jumpers etc to pick?
Half the above you don't even need in a mail centre because your tucked up in the warm and secondly your not customer facing so why dish out all the uniform?
Safety boots and a high viz is the legal health and safety kit the company have to give you.
£20 bonus a day sounds nice but you won't see that on deliveries.
egor110 said:
mph1977 said:
oh really ? - this is based on working for a part of RMG less than a year ago - however it was not a local letter delivery office ...
uniform forms just sat in a docket holder by the stores dooe with a terse notice informing casuals they were only entitled to hi-vis and boots unlike full timers who were entitled to several pairs of trousers, several shirts and a points based combination of jumpers, fleeces and gilets
bonus again announced in team briefs every night - routinely in excess of 20 GBP / shift and unless the sorting system broke down it was very rare for their to be no bonus for full timers
So that would be distribution or a mail centre you were working in?uniform forms just sat in a docket holder by the stores dooe with a terse notice informing casuals they were only entitled to hi-vis and boots unlike full timers who were entitled to several pairs of trousers, several shirts and a points based combination of jumpers, fleeces and gilets
bonus again announced in team briefs every night - routinely in excess of 20 GBP / shift and unless the sorting system broke down it was very rare for their to be no bonus for full timers
Gillet, jumper? You only get polo shirts a fleece and light waterproof and a storm coat on delivery there are no jumpers etc to pick?
Half the above you don't even need in a mail centre because your tucked up in the warm and secondly your not customer facing so why dish out all the uniform?
Safety boots and a high viz is the legal health and safety kit the company have to give you.
£20 bonus a day sounds nice but you won't see that on deliveries.
I don't know why full timers get a uniform issu there there is NO public facing aspect to the job the only stuff coming in comes in via RM fleet or major customer's haulers and the stuff going out goes out in RM fleet and occasional courier vans. while i can undertand why the uniform exists forthe delivery / collection staff for that part of RMG
It seemed very odd and i can only assume it;s a hangover agency staff didn;t wear uniform, RMG casuals didn't wear Uniforms Supervisory/ management grades didn't wear uniform ( including the section manager / first line supervisors (HM1 grade if that adds to the clue of where it might be) as well as shift management ) just the full time 'postmen' that did the sorting / loading same as the casuals and agency staff. there is no real reason for the caste system with regard to uniform - there was no real need for issued workwear beyond the HV and boots ...
bimsb6 said:
Britain's superfast broadband: who's paying and when it'll arrive
Gallery
By Nicole Kobie
Posted on 15 May 2013 at 15:42
The government's broadband funding programme, Broadband Delivery UK, has hit a milestone, with BT starting work on half of the regional projects.
BDUK is the government agency doling out £530 million in public investment in broadband, designed to give 90% of homes speeds of at least 24Mbits/sec by 2015 - although many of the more recent projects aren't expected to be finished until 2016.
.......
You might like to look at the Government site - Broadband Delivery UK - especially linked Broadband Policy. This £530 million isn't about providing Superfast to 90% of homes, it is ensuring that the last x% up to 90% can get super-fast, who live in rural areas which BT/Virgin Media consider uneconomic to provide for. BT & Virgin already provide it to many places without this incentive, these places are mainly towns and cities. Gallery
By Nicole Kobie
Posted on 15 May 2013 at 15:42
The government's broadband funding programme, Broadband Delivery UK, has hit a milestone, with BT starting work on half of the regional projects.
BDUK is the government agency doling out £530 million in public investment in broadband, designed to give 90% of homes speeds of at least 24Mbits/sec by 2015 - although many of the more recent projects aren't expected to be finished until 2016.
.......
Now I suspect BT are quite happy to provide for more places, if someone pays halves their costs - but I also suspicious of BT not providing where they I think they would have otherwise judged it economic to do so.
mph1977 said:
As i said part of RMG that's not Letters ...
I don't know why full timers get a uniform issu there there is NO public facing aspect to the job the only stuff coming in comes in via RM fleet or major customer's haulers and the stuff going out goes out in RM fleet and occasional courier vans. while i can undertand why the uniform exists forthe delivery / collection staff for that part of RMG
It seemed very odd and i can only assume it;s a hangover agency staff didn;t wear uniform, RMG casuals didn't wear Uniforms Supervisory/ management grades didn't wear uniform ( including the section manager / first line supervisors (HM1 grade if that adds to the clue of where it might be) as well as shift management ) just the full time 'postmen' that did the sorting / loading same as the casuals and agency staff. there is no real reason for the caste system with regard to uniform - there was no real need for issued workwear beyond the HV and boots ...
If not letters maybe parcels?I don't know why full timers get a uniform issu there there is NO public facing aspect to the job the only stuff coming in comes in via RM fleet or major customer's haulers and the stuff going out goes out in RM fleet and occasional courier vans. while i can undertand why the uniform exists forthe delivery / collection staff for that part of RMG
It seemed very odd and i can only assume it;s a hangover agency staff didn;t wear uniform, RMG casuals didn't wear Uniforms Supervisory/ management grades didn't wear uniform ( including the section manager / first line supervisors (HM1 grade if that adds to the clue of where it might be) as well as shift management ) just the full time 'postmen' that did the sorting / loading same as the casuals and agency staff. there is no real reason for the caste system with regard to uniform - there was no real need for issued workwear beyond the HV and boots ...
Although with a hub manager maybe your at stanstead or east midlands airport?
JimmyTheHand said:
You might like to look at the Government site - Broadband Delivery UK - especially linked Broadband Policy. This £530 million isn't about providing Superfast to 90% of homes, it is ensuring that the last x% up to 90% can get super-fast, who live in rural areas which BT/Virgin Media consider uneconomic to provide for. BT & Virgin already provide it to many places without this incentive, these places are mainly towns and cities.
Now I suspect BT are quite happy to provide for more places, if someone pays halves their costs - but I also suspicious of BT not providing where they I think they would have otherwise judged it economic to do so.
I was just responding to your not understanding that the fibre rollout was on a contract basis , that was the first article i found that included a mention about bt winning the contract to provide such . Now I suspect BT are quite happy to provide for more places, if someone pays halves their costs - but I also suspicious of BT not providing where they I think they would have otherwise judged it economic to do so.
Didn't I read somewhere that BT's liabilities for operation are something like 50-75% for promised benefits/pensions?
There is no surprise they can't compete to save their lives.
I just checked my bill today for last month. £15 line rental, £18 internet (ADSL 6meg down 0.4 up), and then about £8 for a calls package that still manages to miss out the odd mobile calls, so the total is £46 a month for a telephone and internet. £46 quid!
And it didn't work at first and took weeks to sort because their database is s
te. They tried to disconnect next door to give me my land line. Had I gone with anyone else but BT that WOULD have happened first, before BT would have resolved it. Stupid stupid!
Yet a mobile phone on 3G that I could connect through would be faster both ways and cheaper! And I could take it with me if we move etc.
And the stupid thing is, the local exchange here is fibre, but the cabinet isn't as it only serves a few houses and was recently replaced after a lightning strike... so no doubt they didn't want to spend money again for a few houses... who'd all likely pay for fibre given it's the same price as slow ADSL here any way!
BT are the biggest shower of ste in the UK. The whole thing needs to fail and something new come from the ashes in my view.
Dave
There is no surprise they can't compete to save their lives.
I just checked my bill today for last month. £15 line rental, £18 internet (ADSL 6meg down 0.4 up), and then about £8 for a calls package that still manages to miss out the odd mobile calls, so the total is £46 a month for a telephone and internet. £46 quid!
And it didn't work at first and took weeks to sort because their database is s
te. They tried to disconnect next door to give me my land line. Had I gone with anyone else but BT that WOULD have happened first, before BT would have resolved it. Stupid stupid!Yet a mobile phone on 3G that I could connect through would be faster both ways and cheaper! And I could take it with me if we move etc.
And the stupid thing is, the local exchange here is fibre, but the cabinet isn't as it only serves a few houses and was recently replaced after a lightning strike... so no doubt they didn't want to spend money again for a few houses... who'd all likely pay for fibre given it's the same price as slow ADSL here any way!
BT are the biggest shower of s
te in the UK. The whole thing needs to fail and something new come from the ashes in my view.Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Didn't I read somewhere that BT's liabilities for operation are something like 50-75% for promised benefits/pensions?
There is no surprise they can't compete to save their lives.
I just checked my bill today for last month. £15 line rental, £18 internet (ADSL 6meg down 0.4 up), and then about £8 for a calls package that still manages to miss out the odd mobile calls, so the total is £46 a month for a telephone and internet. £46 quid!
And it didn't work at first and took weeks to sort because their database is ste. They tried to disconnect next door to give me my land line. Had I gone with anyone else but BT that WOULD have happened first, before BT would have resolved it. Stupid stupid!
Yet a mobile phone on 3G that I could connect through would be faster both ways and cheaper! And I could take it with me if we move etc.
And the stupid thing is, the local exchange here is fibre, but the cabinet isn't as it only serves a few houses and was recently replaced after a lightning strike... so no doubt they didn't want to spend money again for a few houses... who'd all likely pay for fibre given it's the same price as slow ADSL here any way!
BT are the biggest shower of ste in the UK. The whole thing needs to fail and something new come from the ashes in my view.
Dave
So the obvious question is 'Why are you still with BT?' as there are literally dozens of providers out there who can offer a cheaper service? many providers have even installed their own equipment within telephone exchanges to 'remove' your service from BT owned equopment completely. Even at full price (and I work for them so it's completely transparent) Sky services would be £16.40 Line Rental, £7.50 broadband (if you have Sky TV) and Anytime UK calls (01, 02, 03, 0845 and 0870 any time for up to an hour) is £5. Chances are you'd also get an offer of some sort. Sky TV customers are getting free BB for a year as new customers.There is no surprise they can't compete to save their lives.
I just checked my bill today for last month. £15 line rental, £18 internet (ADSL 6meg down 0.4 up), and then about £8 for a calls package that still manages to miss out the odd mobile calls, so the total is £46 a month for a telephone and internet. £46 quid!
And it didn't work at first and took weeks to sort because their database is s
te. They tried to disconnect next door to give me my land line. Had I gone with anyone else but BT that WOULD have happened first, before BT would have resolved it. Stupid stupid!Yet a mobile phone on 3G that I could connect through would be faster both ways and cheaper! And I could take it with me if we move etc.
And the stupid thing is, the local exchange here is fibre, but the cabinet isn't as it only serves a few houses and was recently replaced after a lightning strike... so no doubt they didn't want to spend money again for a few houses... who'd all likely pay for fibre given it's the same price as slow ADSL here any way!
BT are the biggest shower of s
te in the UK. The whole thing needs to fail and something new come from the ashes in my view.Dave
There's a reason why BT made £2 Billion profit last year. people like you that complain about them but stay and pay their inflated prices.
MissChief said:
Mr Whippy said:
Didn't I read somewhere that BT's liabilities for operation are something like 50-75% for promised benefits/pensions?
There is no surprise they can't compete to save their lives.
I just checked my bill today for last month. £15 line rental, £18 internet (ADSL 6meg down 0.4 up), and then about £8 for a calls package that still manages to miss out the odd mobile calls, so the total is £46 a month for a telephone and internet. £46 quid!
And it didn't work at first and took weeks to sort because their database is ste. They tried to disconnect next door to give me my land line. Had I gone with anyone else but BT that WOULD have happened first, before BT would have resolved it. Stupid stupid!
Yet a mobile phone on 3G that I could connect through would be faster both ways and cheaper! And I could take it with me if we move etc.
And the stupid thing is, the local exchange here is fibre, but the cabinet isn't as it only serves a few houses and was recently replaced after a lightning strike... so no doubt they didn't want to spend money again for a few houses... who'd all likely pay for fibre given it's the same price as slow ADSL here any way!
BT are the biggest shower of ste in the UK. The whole thing needs to fail and something new come from the ashes in my view.
Dave
So the obvious question is 'Why are you still with BT?' as there are literally dozens of providers out there who can offer a cheaper service? many providers have even installed their own equipment within telephone exchanges to 'remove' your service from BT owned equopment completely. Even at full price (and I work for them so it's completely transparent) Sky services would be £16.40 Line Rental, £7.50 broadband (if you have Sky TV) and Anytime UK calls (01, 02, 03, 0845 and 0870 any time for up to an hour) is £5. Chances are you'd also get an offer of some sort. Sky TV customers are getting free BB for a year as new customers.There is no surprise they can't compete to save their lives.
I just checked my bill today for last month. £15 line rental, £18 internet (ADSL 6meg down 0.4 up), and then about £8 for a calls package that still manages to miss out the odd mobile calls, so the total is £46 a month for a telephone and internet. £46 quid!
And it didn't work at first and took weeks to sort because their database is s
te. They tried to disconnect next door to give me my land line. Had I gone with anyone else but BT that WOULD have happened first, before BT would have resolved it. Stupid stupid!Yet a mobile phone on 3G that I could connect through would be faster both ways and cheaper! And I could take it with me if we move etc.
And the stupid thing is, the local exchange here is fibre, but the cabinet isn't as it only serves a few houses and was recently replaced after a lightning strike... so no doubt they didn't want to spend money again for a few houses... who'd all likely pay for fibre given it's the same price as slow ADSL here any way!
BT are the biggest shower of s
te in the UK. The whole thing needs to fail and something new come from the ashes in my view.Dave
There's a reason why BT made £2 Billion profit last year. people like you that complain about them but stay and pay their inflated prices.
I'm on an 18 month contract.
Any other provider however appealing, would have had me wait 4 weeks to get a land line, stolen it from next door, and then had to ask BT to install a new line, despite one already being here but registered next door (building + barn was extended into two cottages in the 90's!)
I discussed this at length with the likes of Orange, Talk Talk, and Sky, who as said were no cheaper because the LLU wasn't active on my exchange, so they charge the same or more than BT in all cases... I even tried to discuss this issue with BT before ordering from any other provider and I just got stupid non-UK call centre people going around in circles using the same stupid database which was wrong, as a look up.
Trust me, I wanted to leave BT for good the last time we moved. I will be leaving them if there is a cheaper option, in June 2015 when the 18 month contract is up.
The only reason they got my business this time was because of their own failing in LLU and database management!
Put your telephone number into this:
https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search
And it should give you the options at your exchange but if you're under contract it does make things difficult.
https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search
And it should give you the options at your exchange but if you're under contract it does make things difficult.
- Parent's house, in the middle of the countryside, cannot even see the nearest neighbour - a little under 50 Mbps.
- My flat, in the middle of Islington in Central London - a little under 8 Mbps.
It's not just rural areas where the broadband speeds are shocking - it's really luck of the draw. My 4G mobile can give me 35 Mbps in my flat. I'm very tempted to give Relish Broadband a go, as it should be much faster and cheaper without the line rental.
- My flat, in the middle of Islington in Central London - a little under 8 Mbps.
It's not just rural areas where the broadband speeds are shocking - it's really luck of the draw. My 4G mobile can give me 35 Mbps in my flat. I'm very tempted to give Relish Broadband a go, as it should be much faster and cheaper without the line rental.
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