Which engine for a double cab 110
Discussion
Afternoon all. I'm usually to be found on the TVR forums, but I'm thinking of a change of tack. I quite fancy buying a 110 DOUBLE CAB pick up. The thing is that I don't know anything about Land Rover engines. I've obviously got a TD4 in my Freelander2. But what's the difference in a TD5 and a Puma engine? Is one better than the other? What sort of mileage is deemed normal? Does a 2" lift kit affect the drive and prop shafts?
Cheers for now
Phill.
Cheers for now
Phill.
Td5 is often seen as the best engine LR ever produced although the Puma is more refined but seen as a bit lacklustre. Both can be tuned. How much is down to your wallet.
Mileage isn't generally as important as condition. A well looked after 250k mile domestic wagon can be a far better bet than a 10k quarry hack.
Lift kits are like marmite. I can't see the point of them other than allowing you to fit (slightly) bigger tyres if that's your thing. The downside is they do affect the angle on the prop shafts and bits of the suspension but again, opinion is split on whether this is an issue or not. Sure, things like the UJs and suspension bits can handle the deflection in terms of absolute limit, it's whether running them like that all the time will increase wear. Only one way to find out and I don't have sufficient urge to experiment using my truck.
There are a lot of very cheap, very nasty DIY lift kits out there, and it's one of those thing that needs doing well. Moe to it than just longer springs or the even cheaper version using spcaers on the spring seats.
Mileage isn't generally as important as condition. A well looked after 250k mile domestic wagon can be a far better bet than a 10k quarry hack.
Lift kits are like marmite. I can't see the point of them other than allowing you to fit (slightly) bigger tyres if that's your thing. The downside is they do affect the angle on the prop shafts and bits of the suspension but again, opinion is split on whether this is an issue or not. Sure, things like the UJs and suspension bits can handle the deflection in terms of absolute limit, it's whether running them like that all the time will increase wear. Only one way to find out and I don't have sufficient urge to experiment using my truck.
There are a lot of very cheap, very nasty DIY lift kits out there, and it's one of those thing that needs doing well. Moe to it than just longer springs or the even cheaper version using spcaers on the spring seats.
If you're planning on carrying people in the 2nd row, worth checking out how vertical the seat backs are. I wouldn't want to spend ages in the back.
The other thing to bear in mind is that, with a lift kit, you'll be limited to open air car parks should you go into town. Many multi-storeys are already out with a Defender, but a lift further limits you.
The other thing to bear in mind is that, with a lift kit, you'll be limited to open air car parks should you go into town. Many multi-storeys are already out with a Defender, but a lift further limits you.
I've just been reading a LR magazine and seen 110's with TDCI engines. Is this the Puma lump? Also been looking at all the bolt on goodies. Oh dear me, it could get expensive. There's a truck on PH classifieds that already has a 2" lift and all sorts of good stuff, but it has a rust hole on the rear crossmember. What sort of job would that be to sort out?
drivingfroggy said:
it has a rust hole on the rear crossmember. What sort of job would that be to sort out?
It's either an expensive one you do once, or a cheap one you do several times before admitting defeat and doing the expensive one anyway.Edit: If it's the one I think it is it needs a new rear cross member. Not cheap.
And the brand used for the lift isn't exactly an industry leader. By a long way. A very long way.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 22 March 23:19
Learn how to drive off-road before throwing money at lift kits, bling, etc... When you know what you're doing, then you'll know what's worth fitting or not.
In the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, an off the shelf 90/110, with skinny XZLs is probably better off-road than most of these lifted 90s, with 285s & more bling than you can shake a stick at.
M
In the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, an off the shelf 90/110, with skinny XZLs is probably better off-road than most of these lifted 90s, with 285s & more bling than you can shake a stick at.
M
Crossflow Kid said:
There is. The wagon you're looking at doesn't strike me as it I'm afraid.
I totally agree. The more I look at it, the more I wouldn't buy it. If I do go for it, I'll go for a Puma engine, good chassis, dark colour. Stick some nice wheels on it and a hard tonneau (if such a thing exists. Then see where to go from there, reference tuning, offroading and bling.Remember that lift kits lift the body and chassis. The lowest point is always the axles. The axles will stop you if you're in the mucky stuff no matter how high your lift kit is.
Fitting larger diameter tyres lifts the axles and, consequently, the body and chassis.
My 110 sits on 285/75/16 Cooper STT tyres on standard suspension. The tyres add about an inch of lift over stock.
However, you'll then get a small increase in gearing. This can be good. Lower rpm.
As others have said above, be very careful on aftermarket suspension components. I've heard excellent things about Gwyn Lewis's kit from friends that have it.
Fitting larger diameter tyres lifts the axles and, consequently, the body and chassis.
My 110 sits on 285/75/16 Cooper STT tyres on standard suspension. The tyres add about an inch of lift over stock.
However, you'll then get a small increase in gearing. This can be good. Lower rpm.
As others have said above, be very careful on aftermarket suspension components. I've heard excellent things about Gwyn Lewis's kit from friends that have it.
Like Simes110 I run 285/75/16 on standard suspension. I had every intension of taking her off road, but have never done so, I have ended up running across Europe, using it to tow, grass (Green ice), and snow ..... but mostly running a group of, "minions", otherwise know as my kids, everywhere.....
I have the 2.2 Puma and I think its brilliant, I blew a turbo hose (its what they told me it was) and got fixed whilst I waited in the showroom. But to be fair, I can only compare it to a TD5 .... but that is in a Discovery .... so an unfair comparison
I don't have a TVR, but have other sports car stuff, the wife does not mind too much as it gets used for the family a lot.
The 2.2 Puma is also the fastest Defender yet at 93mph (not 94 - its restricted), it also has a lot of sound proofing ..... don't get me wrong its no car, its a glorified truck .... but I love it. The newest 2.2 Pumas are the most comfy to drive, but comfy is what ever your perspective is on the car.....
But they can easily be tuned to what ever you want, almost 190bhp, but watch your tyre choice as most can only do 160kmh..... If you do take her up to 81mph (in the EU obviously
), then cruising is restricted to the thimble they call the fuel tank, it drains really quickly. Drive it nicely and it'll do a million to the gallon, drive it fast and mine dips to about 20mpg ... but with the aerodynamics of a defender.... what do you expect....?
With the car choices I have .... I still love the Defender, I feel its a classic car waaaay more classy than any Japanese 4x4 ..... but hey.... thats me .....
I have the 2.2 Puma and I think its brilliant, I blew a turbo hose (its what they told me it was) and got fixed whilst I waited in the showroom. But to be fair, I can only compare it to a TD5 .... but that is in a Discovery .... so an unfair comparison
I don't have a TVR, but have other sports car stuff, the wife does not mind too much as it gets used for the family a lot.
The 2.2 Puma is also the fastest Defender yet at 93mph (not 94 - its restricted), it also has a lot of sound proofing ..... don't get me wrong its no car, its a glorified truck .... but I love it. The newest 2.2 Pumas are the most comfy to drive, but comfy is what ever your perspective is on the car.....
But they can easily be tuned to what ever you want, almost 190bhp, but watch your tyre choice as most can only do 160kmh..... If you do take her up to 81mph (in the EU obviously
), then cruising is restricted to the thimble they call the fuel tank, it drains really quickly. Drive it nicely and it'll do a million to the gallon, drive it fast and mine dips to about 20mpg ... but with the aerodynamics of a defender.... what do you expect....?With the car choices I have .... I still love the Defender, I feel its a classic car waaaay more classy than any Japanese 4x4 ..... but hey.... thats me .....
Just a response to maverick on his intercooler pipe failing. Mine went 3 times and its just that when the engine gets warm the intercooler pipe expands and gets serrated by the pulley which cuts through and makes the vehicle go into limp home mode. I was hacked off with Landrover as it should be a factory recall, but they now have installed a "bracket" and works well. This is only on the 2.2 Puma engines, but its worth checking if you are looking at buying one of these models. Other than that, this is my third double cab and they are great !
2Hooky said:
but they now have installed a "bracket" and works well
Thanks for that, I only had mune done a month or so ago, so do you think they would have put the bracket in now ....? How do I found out about it? I sometimes get the feeling that its people like you that tell the Franchise dealer mechanics what the latest score is ..... because they just don't seem to know .....Hi Maverick,
If it was only a month ago then I think you should have the working "bracket" fix. On mine they tried twice with "stiffer" hoses before the bracket. The Landrover assist guys said they had come across numerous failures and they recommended I tied it back with electric tie !!
As I said, it was very frustrating at the time as all failures were on the motorway ! I have done around 30k miles since the final fix - I tend to do 50k pa!
If it was only a month ago then I think you should have the working "bracket" fix. On mine they tried twice with "stiffer" hoses before the bracket. The Landrover assist guys said they had come across numerous failures and they recommended I tied it back with electric tie !!
As I said, it was very frustrating at the time as all failures were on the motorway ! I have done around 30k miles since the final fix - I tend to do 50k pa!
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