Cayman GTS

[RBT0]

Sarnie said:

Is this really worth discussion?? Nearly all my cars have needed the bonnet/boots lifting to a fairly high level to create enough force to close properly......how else can you expect the locking mechanisms to bypass each other sufficiently? It's not a Merc, slam it and drive it like you stole it!!!

Haha, like gone in 60 sec's, mine would be called "the beauty" it's so beautiful!

Anyway, childish apart, will talk to the dealer, if you guys are able to close it just pressing as the front bonnet.

almost 5 days of daily driving, no stop (I mean every day), highlights
CONS
- Tailgate closing (you know what, see above) :/
- Noise: I can count every, EVERY little stone that pass through the wheel arches and underbody :/
- Speakers (got Sat Nav and sound plus): feel kind of lack of power, need to reduce volume of sat nav and increase music one
- Too many levers on steering wheel cowl
- Sport Suspension is at limit of acceptable daily driving, car is very low, visibility is reduced with buckets (no height adj) and a lot of risks of peeling plastic DAMs on front bumpers. On very bumpy roads suspensions can be annoying in terms of shacking into the cabin.

PRO
- PDK (always in manual) it's soooo effective
- Buckets are so confortable to me, quite used now to get in and out, feel relaxed after every trip, like in a massage seat. Driving position, excellent, and pdk helps a lot.
- Sound: like double face, can be little bit quiet or very noisy depending how much you push
- Ext Design: it is s t u n n i n g
- Engine: double face again, low torque when driven at low revs, exciting at high rev (no more than 6500 rpm so far)

Will add something, got lot of thoughts.

[cibble10]

RBT0 said:

Haha, like gone in 60 sec's, mine would be called "the beauty" it's so beautiful!

Anyway, childish apart, will talk to the dealer, if you guys are able to close it just pressing as the front bonnet.

almost 5 days of daily driving, no stop (I mean every day), highlights
CONS
- Tailgate closing (you know what, see above) :/
- Noise: I can count every, EVERY little stone that pass through the wheel arches and underbody :/
- Speakers (got Sat Nav and sound plus): feel kind of lack of power, need to reduce volume of sat nav and increase music one
- Too many levers on steering wheel cowl
- Sport Suspension is at limit of acceptable daily driving, car is very low, visibility is reduced with buckets (no height adj) and a lot of risks of peeling plastic DAMs on front bumpers. On very bumpy roads suspensions can be annoying in terms of shacking into the cabin.

PRO
- PDK (always in manual) it's soooo effective
- Buckets are so confortable to me, quite used now to get in and out, feel relaxed after every trip, like in a massage seat. Driving position, excellent, and pdk helps a lot.
- Sound: like double face, can be little bit quiet or very noisy depending how much you push
- Ext Design: it is s t u n n i n g
- Engine: double face again, low torque when driven at low revs, exciting at high rev (no more than 6500 rpm so far)

Will add something, got lot of thoughts.

Agree stone noise in the wheel arches is very disconcerting!!

Thought my seats were standard bucket seats and the lever on the side enables you to 'jack' the seat up and down... I must be missing something... (or you are

I have SS and find it fine, even on some shoddy Guernsey roads, but I had an AM before that so maybe I am just used to a firm suspension set up...

[RBT0]

I've got sport bucket seats, i.e. carbon fiber one, fixed (can slide only in X axix. They are absolutely....guess what?
s t u n n i n g

But very low driving position, so visibility is not top notch.

[Mario149]

bcr5784 said:

Mario149 said:

Thanks guys. I was thinking from more of a wind noise PoV as the Boxster roof may not have the aerodynamic qualities of the Cayman roof?

Oddly enough the drag coefficient is quoted as .30 for both Boxster an Cayman. Presumably the "damage" the hood does to the Boxster's drag is equal to the damage the "fastback" shape of the Cayman does. (Fastback is a misnomer and is bad for drag - which the spoiler is intended to counteract). Though obviously that does not necessarily correspond to wind noise. An Autocar roadtest of the 981 Boxster was very complimentary of the hood saying "...it gives exceptional soft-top refinement even in the foulest rainfall".

From what I've read it seems that main reasons for choosing the Cayman would be the (inevitable) security issues of a soft top, greater chassis stiffness (though the Boxster is very good in that respect) and thus marginally better ultimate handling, and slightly more luggage space. But if you are actually keen to have an open car that could easily outweigh those considerations.

So long as wind noise is comparable, my concerns would be purely shallow really#

In theory I prefer the idea of the Cayman's extra 10bhp, chassis stiffness and the added "kudos" of being a bit more focussed, plus I already have a 993 Cab so roofless motoring is sorted.

But then I realise I also like the idea of hypothetically saving £3k+ by ordering the Boxster (I spec that one slightly differently on colours/wheels so it comes out cheaper than the difference in base prices) and would essentially end up with the same car, only with added roofless bonus, and the last detail of focus wouldn't really matter as I have the GT3 for the track.

The ridiculousness of it is, if I ordered a Boxster, I'd specify the badge delete option on the boot because "Boxster". If I ordered the Cayman, I wouldn't. Daft and pandering to stereotypes I know

[TB303]

Mario149 said:

So long as wind noise is comparable, my concerns would be purely shallow really#

In theory I prefer the idea of the Cayman's extra 10bhp, chassis stiffness and the added "kudos" of being a bit more focussed, plus I already have a 993 Cab so roofless motoring is sorted.

But then I realise I also like the idea of hypothetically saving £3k+ by ordering the Boxster (I spec that one slightly differently on colours/wheels so it comes out cheaper than the difference in base prices) and would essentially end up with the same car, only with added roofless bonus, and the last detail of focus wouldn't really matter as I have the GT3 for the track.

The ridiculousness of it is, if I ordered a Boxster, I'd specify the badge delete option on the boot because "Boxster". If I ordered the Cayman, I wouldn't. Daft and pandering to stereotypes I know

I'd be going for the Boxster even if it was £3k more. When you're driving that mountain pass in France, I think you'd end up wishing you were in the Boxster when the sun's shining....

[cibble10]

RBT0 said:

I've got sport bucket seats, i.e. carbon fiber one, fixed (can slide only in X axix. They are absolutely....guess what?
s t u n n i n g

But very low driving position, so visibility is not top notch.

Ah! I have Sports Seats plus, which -interestingly- are cheaper than the buckets, but do have height adjustment... interesting pricing/choices Porsche offer

[nsm3]

TB303 said:

I'd be going for the Boxster even if it was £3k more. When you're driving that mountain pass in France, I think you'd end up wishing you were in the Boxster when the sun's shining....

Not if you go off the edge!

[Mario149]

cibble10 said:

Ah! I have Sports Seats plus, which -interestingly- are cheaper than the buckets, but do have height adjustment... interesting pricing/choices Porsche offer

I think with the buckets you're paying for the fairly substantial weight saving

[cibble10]

Mario149 said:

I think with the buckets you're paying for the fairly substantial weight saving

Absolutely! Sadly the driver still needs to lose a few pounds, but a cheaper option

[Mario149]

cibble10 said:

Mario149 said:

I think with the buckets you're paying for the fairly substantial weight saving

Absolutely! Sadly the driver still needs to lose a few pounds, but a cheaper option

How did you know I was currently a bit more portly than normal??!!

[cibble10]

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How did you know I was currently a bit more portly than normal??!!



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LOL, I knew that could be read either way (I am just 88 kgs!)

When I watch Jeremy Clarkson in some sports car or other and he comments on performance I wonder whether -if he was 3or 4 stone lighter- how much better the car might handle Maybe that is why he has never been a Porsche fan, his weight to power ratio when compared to a heavier sportcar must have a relatively larger detrimental impact!

Edited by cibble10 on Saturday 20th December 12:37

[diabolik]

Hi All,

just two lines to say that due to changes in my circumstances I had to review my needs and opted to go for a 61 plate 911 C2S coupe' manual, lovely car plenty of kit including adaptive sport seats and a short shifter. I am obviously very excited as I have always loved the 911.

I wanted, by the way, not only to say thanks for the advices received here on the cayman, but also to congratulate with the GTS owners. Thanks to Phil at Hatfield OPC I have had the chance to try one, driving back to back with a Porsche instructor. Jesus, what a car, absolutely mind blowing. Consider that I am not a good driver, however I have had the luck of diving often the likes Gallardo, F430, Vantage, F-type R, GT-R, GT3, R8 etc...well this Cayman is absolutely amazing, especially with the PDK is perfection.

With compliments to all current and future owners!

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[RBT0]

Congrats for the new car and thanks from a gts owner.

Looking forward to meeting you, we need to arrange a proper meet day.

[diabolik]

many thanks, it would be absolutely great

[Freakuk]

So following on from my earlier thread

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I've been given a few examples to have a look at, anything from demo's in the high 50's to new stock at dealers in the mid/late 60's

has anyone managed to negotiate a decent discount on one of these? Could anyone elaborate?

[diabolik]

Hi, I think that offers can vary depending on mileage and on how long the vehicles have been registered at the dealers. A couple of weeks ago I was offered approx 10% off a demo with 13000 miles on the clock. Very tempting but didn't take it...and the car was snatched after only a few days. Obviously end of December is the best time to make a a deal.

Season's greetings

Diabolik

Edited by diabolik on Wednesday 24th December 02:25

[Sarnie]

I can't imagine dealers chopping 10-15% off a GTS that they've probably only had for a few weeks.....can't imagine they'd be too keen to offload prime stock so cheaply.....

[bcr5784]

Freakuk said:

So following on from my earlier thread

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I've been given a few examples to have a look at, anything from demo's in the high 50's to new stock at dealers in the mid/late 60's

has anyone managed to negotiate a decent discount on one of these? Could anyone elaborate?

I suspect you will struggle to get a good discount on a GTS - it is flavour of the month. However you might get an S with a spec near to a GTS for 50k or not much more. Sports exhaust is pretty common, as is Sports Chrono, PASM less common (though my S has it) 20" wheels are very common. But if you are really keen on the extra horses, the styling tweaks (or even the "kudos") of the GTS - then your options are more limited.

[Fezzaman]

You can now spec the GTS bodykit on lesser Caymans for £1700... Guess it makes the GTS 'appear' even more of a bargain now haha

[diabolik]

Sarnie said:

I can't imagine dealers chopping 10-15% off a GTS that they've probably only had for a few weeks.....can't imagine they'd be too keen to offload prime stock so cheaply.....

I think that deals are variable.
According to what I have been told ex demos can go on sale after 3 months. The one I mentioned above had been used for several months, list price was around 70k and the dealer had a good incentive from porsche gb to put on the market with a good discount. I was offered the car for slightly less than 63k, with porsche finance.

On the other side the that I have tried recently had just arrived to a different OPC, again 70k car with gts packs,pdk, adaptive sport seats, in carmine red. I was told that for now car was not going to be on sale and that anyway there would have been not much in terms of savings.